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PostPosted: 21:02 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: traffic cops now bbc1 Reply with quote

looks like its a night for bikers
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those 2 scumbag bullys looked like total cretins when that cyclist was running rings around them.

They claim they don't have the resources to deal with low level crime then they spend what much have been the best part of an hour picking on someone for no lights on a pushbike.

Cowardly little men.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

When that other guy was talking to that Primrose or Precious or whatever she was called, an old woman cycled past with no lights! Made me laugh. Laughing

That cyclist got done for £915 quid in the end though!!!!!

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PostPosted: 23:00 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

tr8theshape wrote:
When that other guy was talking to that Primrose or Precious or whatever she was called, an old woman cycled past with no lights! Made me laugh. Laughing

That cyclist got done for £915 quid in the end though!!!!!

Shocked


Which just goes to prove, yet again, what spiteful malicious scum they really are and how their only concern is their egos. They quite clearly stated that all they intended to do was tell him off...until he spoke up for himself and refused to kiss their boots.

Despicable wankers. And the only reason they didn't breathalyse him was they couldn't bare the shame of bringing in a cyclist for BS.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 07 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dam missed the program, though l did get called a dickhead by a traffic copper in hampstead for "legally" filtering past him in stationary traffic today so already infuriated enough by there behavior.
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PostPosted: 01:45 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
Those 2 scumbag bullys looked like total cretins when that cyclist was running rings around them.

They claim they don't have the resources to deal with low level crime then they spend what much have been the best part of an hour picking on someone for no lights on a pushbike.

Cowardly little men.


I lolled at the cyclist, coppers had him bang to rights. He just kept making life worse for himself. Kudos for the courts actually giving him the fines he deserved.

As a fond road cyclist myself, I take pride in being able to catch and overtake the pedestrian-on-bike types you find skipping red lights, riding on pavements and with no lights at night despite their shit roadcraft and dodgy riding.

ultimately if you can't follow the rules of the road, get the hell off of it. Smile

Did think that one copper was horrendously anti-biker though.
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:
0ddball wrote:
Those 2 scumbag bullys looked like total cretins when that cyclist was running rings around them.

They claim they don't have the resources to deal with low level crime then they spend what much have been the best part of an hour picking on someone for no lights on a pushbike.

Cowardly little men.


I lolled at the cyclist, coppers had him bang to rights. He just kept making life worse for himself. Kudos for the courts actually giving him the fines he deserved.

As a fond road cyclist myself, I take pride in being able to catch and overtake the pedestrian-on-bike types you find skipping red lights, riding on pavements and with no lights at night despite their shit roadcraft and dodgy riding.

ultimately if you can't follow the rules of the road, get the hell off of it. Smile

Did think that one copper was horrendously anti-biker though.


Hang on, Johnny Do-Right is in town.
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decent light set for town riding: £35-£50
Rear reflector/front reflector: free on bike at point of sale
Anticipating lights before you get to them:£0 it's an easy skill to pick up

Failing to do all 3 and then pissing off the coppers (who were going to let you off with a slapped wrist) by starting a holier than thou rant: ~£1000

I just don't like wasting my money, time or effort, nor risking not being seen at night in a city when there are inattentive cage drivers around.

Cyclecraft by john franklin, a must read book for cyclists. Encourages making progress whilst riding assertively.
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PostPosted: 04:37 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00v8lys/Traffic_Cops_Wheels_of_Fortune/
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PostPosted: 08:10 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inept wrote:
Bloke .. perspective .. bigger picture .. ffs .... earlier i saw some USA gimps paying a measly 10,000 dollars for bombing / killing 3 little girls/sisters and their mother in Afghan ....

Then we have you wearing your high vis vest and being smug at 900 quid for someone going home drunk on a bike instead of a car that weighs a ton ...

FFS ... whilst he would of been better off complying ... if we all complied as such to the filths manipulation of democracy, it would just further their over and unjustified egos into more nanny shite ...

The biker with the flip reg .. prison ... in other words, no one else try to avoid paying speeding fines on empty roads ....

Sms Bloke suggests man of and of the streets, not some hi vis stuck up twat applauding such injustice shown on TV let alone whats not shown ...

If you get knocked of your bike in the dark with no lights, then it's mainly your fault ... not paying 900 quid because you have not been hit, or pandered to filths ego ...

My only thought on it, was that there was no reflector .. and that he should of just stuck to the pavement ... Evil or Very Mad Smile Idea


inept...perspective. Being summoned to court because you're a yet another mouthy twat who believes that minor crimes should go unpunished is not an injustice.

As the police explained, he would have been dealt with by a word to the wise, he left the officers no avenue to negotiate, refused a fpn and then lost in court as he had done exactly what the officers had charged him for.

I wear hi-viz because I want to be seen. Wtf that has to do with the price of fish i've no idea.

Here's a nice scenario, it's getting closer to christmas so quite relevant.

You're riding home from a place on your motorbike, doing 50+ in a 30 because it's not a "real" 30 in your opinion.

When drunk mouthy twat ignores a red light and rides out straight in front of you, he had no lights, no reflectors and is dressed in black, you don't see him until you are right on top of him, luckily you are superman so can consciously decide to lay the bike down to try and avoid him. Unfortunately the bike plows sideways along the road and takes him out.

You come off with nasty road rash and a broken arm, leg and fractured hip because you were just popping down the road and don't like to wear safety equipment, after all they're only toy standards right?

Ambulance arrives to find him crushed by 300kgs of bike hitting him at 30+mph, pronounces him DoA.

Police at the scene note that the industrial unit (like I said it's not a real 30) cctv cameras are overlooking the incident and capture you traveling faster than the speed limit and maybe pulling a little wheelie, charge you with death by dangerous driving.

"but officer he jumped a red light"
"sorry, we have evidence showing you were in excess of the speed limit"
"but officer I couldnt see him he was all in black and had no lights on"
"makes no difference son your speed was the major contributing factor in his death and we can prove you were riding dangerously at the time of the accident."

Turns out in court that the police had previously seen the rider but had failed to stop him at the time due to not feeling the offences were serious enough to warrant it.

You are escorted out of the court house to the jeers of his local cycling club, local press and see his wife and two children crying as they walk off.

Now you're someone celebrating christmas, with a family who has been told their father is a killer, who's children go to school with the kids of the father you were found to have killed, who's dealing with the fact he killed someone in an avoidable accident, banned from driving and currently serving a long prison sentence behind bars.

If only the cyclist hasn't jumped the red light...
If only the cyclist had lights on so you could have seen him earlier...
If only the cyclist wasn't drunk so he could have taken avoiding action quicker...

Completely ignoring your riding, the accident would have been avoidable just from the cyclist doing a few things to help ensure his safety and you would have had your usual nice speedy ride home.

So yes I do think the coppers had him bang to rights and that being a cheeky bastard shouldn't get you off.

*the above scenario takes into account all the various attitudes i've witnessed on these forums in the last 2 months. Food for thought.
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PostPosted: 08:15 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The police were OK with the guy who's plate fell off on the M25 Thumbs Up

They even let him ride away with the new plate taped to the pillion seat Razz
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy on the bike certainly made it worse for himself, however, those particular cops did show what petty little men they really can be if you dont 'yes sir no sir' for the sake of their daily power trip.

Yes he was wrong not to have lights, and wrong to get all arsey with them. It was still over the top though.
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inept wrote:
Bloke .. perspective .. bigger picture .. ffs .... earlier i saw some USA gimps paying a measly 10,000 dollars for bombing / killing 3 little girls/sisters and their mother in Afghan ....

Then we have you wearing your high vis vest and being smug at 900 quid for someone going home drunk on a bike instead of a car that weighs a ton ...

FFS ... whilst he would of been better off complying ... if we all complied as such to the filths manipulation of democracy, it would just further their over and unjustified egos into more nanny shite ...

The biker with the flip reg .. prison ... in other words, no one else try to avoid paying speeding fines on empty roads ....

And Bloke suggests man of and of the streets, not some hi vis stuck up twat applauding such injustice shown on TV let alone whats not shown ...

If you get knocked of your bike in the dark with no lights, then it's mainly your fault ... not paying 900 quid because you have not been hit, or pandered to filths ego ...

My only thought on it, was that there was no reflector .. and that he should of just stuck to the pavement ... Evil or Very Mad Smile Idea



Yeah but its not just you thats inviolved is it what about the concious of the driver who has hit you and how it affects them.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm disgraced by the whole episode. Popcorn and beer at the ready, i was expecting to be on the bike special.

But no, the bike special turns into some guy trying to get into the country on the bottom side of a truck, some random woman pretending she's someone else and a cyclist daring to stand up to the man...

Where the fuck was my blat down king offa? Selfwish wanky bastards, thats all I can say.

I hope it gets shown on one of the other ones after actually telling people about it, bunch of cunts.

Rant over, i'll get off my soapbox and go do some work!
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watched it and laughed at the cyclist. "havent you got anything better to do?" and later on the police man said "at the time we didnt"

So situation normal there!

I did notice some of the vid feeds had 2009 on the brighton bike parts so they were showing last years run it seemed. So robbie, give it a year and you might be on tv.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Sounds like a good example of why I avoid watching such shows. Voluntarily watching someone with a seriously bad attitude deal with someone else with a seriously bad attitude appeals about as much as DIY open heart surgery.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:10 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloke wrote:
Inept wrote:
Bloke .. perspective .. bigger picture .. ffs .... earlier i saw some USA gimps paying a measly 10,000 dollars for bombing / killing 3 little girls/sisters and their mother in Afghan ....

Then we have you wearing your high vis vest and being smug at 900 quid for someone going home drunk on a bike instead of a car that weighs a ton ...

FFS ... whilst he would of been better off complying ... if we all complied as such to the filths manipulation of democracy, it would just further their over and unjustified egos into more nanny shite ...

The biker with the flip reg .. prison ... in other words, no one else try to avoid paying speeding fines on empty roads ....

Sms Bloke suggests man of and of the streets, not some hi vis stuck up twat applauding such injustice shown on TV let alone whats not shown ...

If you get knocked of your bike in the dark with no lights, then it's mainly your fault ... not paying 900 quid because you have not been hit, or pandered to filths ego ...

My only thought on it, was that there was no reflector .. and that he should of just stuck to the pavement ... Evil or Very Mad Smile Idea


inept...perspective. Being summoned to court because you're a yet another mouthy twat who believes that minor crimes should go unpunished is not an injustice.

As the police explained, he would have been dealt with by a word to the wise, he left the officers no avenue to negotiate, refused a fpn and then lost in court as he had done exactly what the officers had charged him for.

I wear hi-viz because I want to be seen. Wtf that has to do with the price of fish i've no idea.

Here's a nice scenario, it's getting closer to christmas so quite relevant.

You're riding home from a place on your motorbike, doing 50+ in a 30 because it's not a "real" 30 in your opinion.

When drunk mouthy twat ignores a red light and rides out straight in front of you, he had no lights, no reflectors and is dressed in black, you don't see him until you are right on top of him, luckily you are superman so can consciously decide to lay the bike down to try and avoid him. Unfortunately the bike plows sideways along the road and takes him out.

You come off with nasty road rash and a broken arm, leg and fractured hip because you were just popping down the road and don't like to wear safety equipment, after all they're only toy standards right?

Ambulance arrives to find him crushed by 300kgs of bike hitting him at 30+mph, pronounces him DoA.

Police at the scene note that the industrial unit (like I said it's not a real 30) cctv cameras are overlooking the incident and capture you traveling faster than the speed limit and maybe pulling a little wheelie, charge you with death by dangerous driving.

"but officer he jumped a red light"
"sorry, we have evidence showing you were in excess of the speed limit"
"but officer I couldnt see him he was all in black and had no lights on"
"makes no difference son your speed was the major contributing factor in his death and we can prove you were riding dangerously at the time of the accident."

Turns out in court that the police had previously seen the rider but had failed to stop him at the time due to not feeling the offences were serious enough to warrant it.

You are escorted out of the court house to the jeers of his local cycling club, local press and see his wife and two children crying as they walk off.

Now you're someone celebrating christmas, with a family who has been told their father is a killer, who's children go to school with the kids of the father you were found to have killed, who's dealing with the fact he killed someone in an avoidable accident, banned from driving and currently serving a long prison sentence behind bars.

If only the cyclist hasn't jumped the red light...
If only the cyclist had lights on so you could have seen him earlier...
If only the cyclist wasn't drunk so he could have taken avoiding action quicker...

Completely ignoring your riding, the accident would have been avoidable just from the cyclist doing a few things to help ensure his safety and you would have had your usual nice speedy ride home.

So yes I do think the coppers had him bang to rights and that being a cheeky bastard shouldn't get you off.

*the above scenario takes into account all the various attitudes i've witnessed on these forums in the last 2 months. Food for thought.


Oh blah blah. And what if it had been a teenager all dressed in black, running to cross the road? Still be his fault that you hit him at 50 instead of 30? Eh?
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Hetz, I was not looking forward to having to make a rebuttal to his ridiculous claim. I was going to go for a more far-fetched extension of his idea to make him look ridiculous but I am happy with what you went with Smile. I was going to protect speeding rather than cycling :p
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PostPosted: 12:27 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear hi-viz on the motorbike when the weather's shitty, and my pushbike goretex jacket is dayglo orange so same there. I don't do it because I'm holier than thou, I do it because I drive as well, I know how visible bikes of any sort are in poor conditions, and I imagine that coming together with a big metal box will hurt (me, mostly). So that's my disclaimer out of the way.



Drunk bloke wasn't that drunk, as he said. Just drunk enough to ride like a prat past a police car. Although it's probably no different to when he's sober.

He could have licked a bit of butt and probably got nothing (and he was in the wrong - just for lights if nothing else); he could have accepted he was wrong eventually and had the FPN; but he had to go to court and argue.... and he was wrong.

Didn't look like he couldn't afford lights either - looked like a nice bike, and I reckon that fine was means tested.

I'm sure if the plod wanted to be really arsey, they could have pulled him in, or taken his bike off him. I thought they gave him as much chance as they could, in the face of his behaviour.




The rules here are quite simple and it's in cyclists' interests to follow them - it's not the car/bus/lorry that suffers. Also, it'd save all the massive time and effort etc for all the emergency services who have to come and scrape up the bits, the people who are held up as the road's closed for hours, the inquest etc etc etc


The only thing in my mind is that it's a bit rough that they picked on him when there's thousands of others the same - and that's just on bikes - but that's how it has to be unless we have police on every road (or people start giving a shit about the law).




BTW - the car driver with no lights probably said "sorry officer, I just realised, oh my god" and got sent on their way. That's not arse licking: it's realising you've made a mistake, admitting it, apologising and hopefully try not to do it again. It's a grown-up thing. If the police were arseholes, they could have ignored that and booked them as well - but didn't. Which is one grown-up recognising another. The cyclist was a 40 year old child.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
They quite clearly stated that all they intended to do was tell him off...until he spoke up for himself and refused to kiss their boots.


Funny that, my first though when he started chopsing off was "It's Hetzer."

Meh.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

defblade wrote:
The cyclist was a 40 year old child.


No, just old enough to know what a complete bunch of cocks most pigs are. And had probably been a victim of a real crime and the pigs couldn't be arsed to deal with it.
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PostPosted: 13:17 - 08 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
They quite clearly stated that all they intended to do was tell him off...until he spoke up for himself and refused to kiss their boots.


Funny that, my first though when he started chopsing off was "It's Hetzer."

Meh.



I was trying to remember what exactly Hezter looked like to work out if it actually was him as soon as he started saying stuff like that. I decided it wasn't, although I do think they look vaguely similar.
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