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 Posted: 12:12 - 08 Oct 2010  Post subject: old and new bike makers? |
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I was at the Copdock bike show at the week-end and a good time was had by all I think.
While I was there, I noticed the Victory bikes stand and thought that it was interesting to see a new`ish company plunging into bike production.
I like a bike thats a bit different, but they wer`nt to my tastes.
I know it might be a bit silly, but I have a liking for eastern European two-strokes.
I have declined getting one as a project because I recon that getting bits for it would be nigh on impossible.
Now I`ve found this https://www.jawamotorcycles.co.uk/gallery.html
does this mean that spares may start becoming available for all those junky old CZ`s out there 
anybody else on here like MZ`s and CZ`s or am I out here on my own?
are bikes ONLY allowed to be Japanese or Italian?
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Those 350's are the same old model 640 engine Jawa were knocking out in around 1990/91 with an electric start bodged onto the left hand crankcase cover.
I haven't got the faintest idea how they got them through emissions testing.
They also do a 250cc 4-stroke twin. I really do wonder what that's like. Mainly who designed and built the engine. If it's a Jawa designed engine, it could be quite a nice bike (if somewhat underpowered). Jawas own 4-strokes were always very well designed and put together motors (look at their speedway bikes).
I suspect it could well be either Indian or Chinese by design though. In which case I'd be a bit less enthusiastic.
What upsets me a little is that just before they stopped production last time, they were knocking out a liquid cooled 250cc 2-stroke single in a much lighter monoshock chassis and about half as much power again as the 350 twins.
I've only ever seen two of them. At 27bhp, they'd have been bang on for the restricted licence market.
https://www.pc-czechgroup.com/jawa/250593.jpg
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| Posted: 12:48 - 08 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: old and new bike makers? |
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| Posted: 16:51 - 08 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: old and new bike makers? |
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| pepperami wrote: | are bikes ONLY allowed to be Japanese or Italian? |
dont start that one again, we've had spetom ranting about the fact we are all 'brain-washed' into believing that ONLY The Japanese can make decent bikes!
My favourite, though is Spanish.....
Germans make a few bikes too...... and I have a feeling that theres a factory near me knocking out motorbikes..... some new-start-up that bought an old famouse british badge...... but I heard rumnours they were just cobbling together copies of old Kawasaki's 
Good few Powered-Two-wheelers on our roads these days are French! I believe.....
I quite like MZ's, though not too sure about the post-unification offerings..... there was just 'something' about the old two-smokes, and the Kaaden legacy...... would still like an ISDT 'Replica'.
JAWA, have a very interesting heritage. They were originally a concessionary for British J.A.P (Prestiwic) engines, I seem to recall, before undertaking licence manufacture, and then evolving thier own products from them. Prior to 'Russian Occupation', it would seem that they were a rather well respected manufacturer with some quite interesting, and inspiring models.
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| Posted: 17:14 - 08 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: old and new bike makers? |
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| Posted: 19:50 - 08 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: old and new bike makers? |
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JAWA, have a very interesting heritage. They were originally a concessionary for British J.A.P (Prestiwic) engines, I seem to recall, before undertaking licence manufacture, and then evolving thier own products from them. Prior to 'Russian Occupation', it would seem that they were a rather well respected manufacturer with some quite interesting, and inspiring models. |
They made some pretty impressive machines during the cold war period too.
Like MZ, they made very competative ISDT and scrambles machines during the late 60's. They also made pretty much the definative speedway engine, still in use today. Not quite as sucessful in road/track racing as MZ were but they had some sucess.
They made a 500cc, liquid cooled, rotary valve induction V4 2-stroke in 1971! Allegedly produced around 80bhp and did over 160mph. Admittedly, they seized at the drop of a hat and killed a few racers but talk about ahead of the game.
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| Posted: 22:44 - 08 Oct 2010 Post subject: Re: old and new bike makers? |
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: |
JAWA, have a very interesting heritage. They were originally a concessionary for British J.A.P (Prestiwic) engines, I seem to recall, before undertaking licence manufacture, and then evolving thier own products from them. Prior to 'Russian Occupation', it would seem that they were a rather well respected manufacturer with some quite interesting, and inspiring models. |
They made some pretty impressive machines during the cold war period too.
Like MZ, they made very competative ISDT and scrambles machines during the late 60's. They also made pretty much the definative speedway engine, still in use today. Not quite as sucessful in road/track racing as MZ were but they had some sucess.
They made a 500cc, liquid cooled, rotary valve induction V4 2-stroke in 1971! Allegedly produced around 80bhp and did over 160mph. Admittedly, they seized at the drop of a hat and killed a few racers but talk about ahead of the game. |
Oh god, that is so fcukin awesome. I bet they are rarer than rockin horse poo and go for a fortune. Would I love to turn up at the local two stroke club meet on that 
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I had a CZ125 2-stroke single in the early eighties and with very little effort I was able to make it perform much better.
All I did was, change the bronze bush in the small end for a needle cage roller bearing. The bronze bushes were quieter than roller bearing but always seemed tight? , take the baffles out and drill a load more holes in it, as it was very restricting and then replace it back in the standard exhaust, lastly rejet the carb.
Everybody used to deride my little CZ but it was a lot better than people gave it credit for, and once or twice I embarrassed the odd Jap 125.
the electrics were absolute SHITE! but the engine was a right good un and I used it for moto-ball as well towards the end of it`s life.
and stripped of all it`s road going clutter it was even better
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