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Plenty of larger bikers around, & we all started out on something small. Its not a big problem.
Regular commuter bikes like the CG125 or YBR 125 with a conventional riding possition tend to fit most people reasonably well, it tends only to be more specialised style bikes like trailies or customs or sports-bikes that you need to worry more about the 'fit'.
If you are prepared to pay dealer prices, my recomendation is simply to go visit a few, see what they got and try as many bikes as you can for size.
BUT, If you haven't been on the roads, bike or car before, I REALLY reccomend you DONT buy ANY bike just yet!
Get your CBT out the way first. Book it on a 'School' bike. It'll be a regular commuter 125 like a CG or YBR.
CBT course will cover all the basics, thats what its there for.
First of all, it will let you try before you buy, and see if you actually ENJOY riding a bike on the road. If you don't no point doing it really.
Next, you'll be taken through a well rehersed script covering all you need to know, and you'll have plenty of opportunity in there to ask pertinant questions about what kind of bike to get, what kit to go with it, and all the other 'stuff'.
ALSO being over 21 you have the option of the Direct-Access Scheme.
CBT instructors will be able to advise whether that might be better for you, doing training on a (School) 500 and getting your Full Unrestricted Licence before you buy a bike.
That would open up a lot more oportunities, by way of bigger bikes for you. Needn't be high velocity Monsters, but bigger capacity bikses also tend to be physically bigger, and a 500 Twin, might fit you better, and not struggle so much hauling its own weight as well as your own, like a 125 often can.
Personally, starting out on your own 125, I think is the better way to begin, as if you do weekly training, and ride your own bike between times, training has more relevence and you tend to get more from it.
Doing DAS, you cant ride a big-bike between lessons, so the course which can be as little as 20hours, maybe only 10 hours actually in the saddle riding, will pretty much be ALL the riding preperation you get for test, and doesn't really prepare you to take on all that biking can chuck at you. But, provided your sensible, know that, choose a sensible bike, and perhaps follow up DAS by doing ROSPA Gold or something to bring your competence up, its as good a way to go as any.
125's, we could really reccomend all manner of stuff, but really, I dont think it would help you much. Might give you some food for thought, or cause to query a salesman, but?!?
BEST way is to go try it, and CBT would let you do that.
AND it would give you a lot of helpful info. AND some idea of how big a deal finding a bike to fit you might be, AND when you come to buy a bike, you wont have to worry about getting it to a CBT site and back if you dont pass and all that.....
If you aren't sold yet....... just ponder this one.
How would you feel, if you bought a £1500 motorcycle, got it delivered by the dealer to your CBT school, then dropped it in the first hour of the course trying to do the 'slow-riding' excersises or something?
Happens a LOT!
Might only be a scratched exhaust and a broken clutch lever..... but if its YOUR bike, you got to get the bike taken home or back to teh dealers, and then do the CBT over, cos without the bike, you cant pass, can you?
Do it on a School bike? All the scratcthes and broken levers are thier problem.......
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Hiya mate - I am 6'3" and about 15 stone - my steed is a Yamaha YBR 125 which copes with my bulk just fine. It's no rocket - but no 125 is going to be. It's something to hone your skills on until you're ready to ride something bigger.
In terms of what fits, it is really a case of trying out bikes to see what fits best. It's not necessarily just about your height - it's about how long your arms, legs and body are, how comfortable you feel in different positions (ahem) and so on - so yeah, get down to some dealers and sit on a few.
Good luck with the CBT 
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| squalllion1uk wrote: | I thought das was for over 21 year olds? |
If you've had your 21st Birthday, you ARE over 21! You said you WERE 21? So you should be eligible for DAS IF you want.
| squalllion1uk wrote: | Once i have done my cbt maybe i should talk to my instructor. |
You can talk to him during your CBT if you like, theres an element for 'open discussion' & bike choice is a good topic for it!
| squalllion1uk wrote: | I do pick up practical things very easily been driving excavators and dump trucks since I was about eight I know driving on the road is different. |
This is why I'm suggesting keeping your options open, & considering the training & test as the important bit, bike choice as what comes next. You really dont know which way your interest may evolve as you get into it.
ONLY think about actual bikes as far as what might be useful as a learning tool, while getting your licence..... that migt be no bike at ALL if you go for an intensive DAS course, or it could be a Veradaro, or a YBR.... or something completely different.
| squalllion1uk wrote: | Food for thought would help. |
So first of all see how you get on with the CBT SChool Yam, and keep your options open.
If you are happy with the idea of a 125 as a daily rider, at least shorter term, then yeah, good way to go. As said, its the 'better' way to get the most out of your training, in my mind.
If you book 125 road-training after CBT... which I would strongly reccomend, especially with all the intended changes coming up, and IF you dont want to go straight for an 'intensive' DAS course, you can mix and match, or just do A2, the 33bhp restriction lapses after two years of its own accord anyway.
CBT out of the way, you can get almost any Learner-Legal you want, sign up for road training (a two month, two hour a week course, should cost around £150) And any bike will do for the road-training, within reason, becouse you can use a School-Bike for test.
Advantage of using a school bike for test is that its non-descript, means that the examiner cant as easily make so many assumptions on first impressions, OTHER than, presuming you have had some training from the school that rented you the bike, and notionally, his job should be pretty much done, as they wouldn't have sent you for test if they didn't think you could pass!
AND, if while training, you DO decide you want to go DAS, having done the bulk of your road-training on a 125, and practiced on a Learner Legal between lessons, stepping up to a DAS bike, need only take perhaps one or two lessons to familiarise yourself with the biggger machine, before taking your test on the Schools DAS bike.
You can, and many do, get a Learner-Legal and ride it on L-Plates, without much if ANY thought to getting a full licence, until thier CBT cert is almost due to run out....... (Take note, as Snowie is starting to panic facing taking her forth..... two years comes round remarkeably quick!)
But, getting your licence SHOULD be the more important ambition. Bikes can come and go, your licence will be valid for almost fifty years!
And the sooner you are a qualified rider, the better. I still find it rather ironic, that we should let ANY riders out on the road, unsupervised, before passing thier test...... and that the ONLY people we DO let loose on thier own, unqualified, we let out on THE most dangerouse form of motorised transport!
But thats just food for thought. Sooner you are qulified, sooner the odds start shifting in your favour of NOT becoming a statistic, and with a little consideration, absolutely NO reason why you should.
As for the bike itself; if you can get on with the Yam YBR on CBT, then that would be great. You'll find it a little cramped and a tad bouncy.... but not as bad as I found the school Honda H100 I took my Part One test on twenty odd years ago! But as a newbie, and having not ridden another two-wheeler other than a 50...... you luckily wont know any better..... some-times Ignorance is bliss!
BUT, if you can ride the YBR, a good one of those would fall into your £1500 budget, where you'd be a bit stretched to find a decent Varadaro, especially from a dealers.
You said you dont like dirt-Bikes, but what about Motards? Plenty of those around these days? Though if you avoid the Chinese ones they can be pricey.
Style costs on bikes, and nowhere more so in the Learner-Legal market. And much of it is wasted, as all subject to power limits, but more stylish bikes usually attract a higher insurance premium, as they are the ones boy-racers want, and thrash..... often means they deteriorate more too.
Cruisers, I dont rate as a newbie mount. Lazy geometry and laid back riding possition isn't the best for control, but for some-one of larger frame they can fit reasonably well. But makes life harder for yourself. Prices can be reasonable too, though they tend to be a bit sluggish.
Really, I think that the Veradero takes a LOT of beating as a slightly more stylish, yet sensible Learner-Legal, and better suited to persons of more mature or larger stature. But, bench-mark is the YBR, and on a budget that takes an AWFUL lot of beating. So those two would be my reference points.
But If you check my sig-line, you'll see though I'm a fan of the old Honda CB125 Super-Dream, thanks to the other half. Brilliant little bikes. Old, but still useful, and a lot more bike for your money than a more contemprary commuter, IF you get a good-one, and less cramped than most, having fairly concervative street-bike styling. And theres plenty of other googlies out there, if you go looking for older bikes.
Another to look out for would be the Kawasaki KH125, two stroke. Simple air-cooled engine, but very eager, they made them up to about 1995, I think. Again not too cramped, and priced like older CG's you can get a tidy one for around £5-600.
If you dont mind using a School bike for test, be it 125 or DAS, some of the sub 100cc commuter bikes that might be worth a look, like the Yamaha RSX100, again simple air-cooled two-stroke single, commuter, but a very spritely one, and again, you can get pretty tidy examples for around £500. Or the legendary Honda C90 step-thru, or derivatives (Yamaha & Suzuki both did versions), which may not be quite your cup of tea, but are cheap, dependable, ecconomical, and can be ridden by some-one of larger frame!
Reason I mention thses is you said you have a budget of 'around' £1500, but qulify that by saying you have to get gear and test and traing as well. IF you make getting your licence top of the bill, then saving penies on the bike cost to do training & get your licence could be worth while. In which case DO look down-market and give bikes like the KH125, RSX100, C90 or CG125 a look. would probably mean looking for a private buy, and being a bit more clued up on what to look for, but, pottential savings are there.
But it ALL depends, on what happens after CBT. You might not get on AT ALL with the YBR, you might find it just TOO cramped and uncomfortable, in which case you might have to look hard and try a lot of bikes to find one that fits, or re-think the imperatives and compromises, and maybe going DAS without serving time on a 125, or living with a more compromised 125, and upping the rate of progress to full licence. You might, after CBT get more 'into' different aspects of biking, like rallies, or racing, or dirt riding, all of which may influence the way you want to go, and what bikes you might like to own.
A 'cheap' commuter keeps doors open, as does a YBR, as they are easy to sell. Verado's are a bit more price sensative, as they tend to be more expensive, and buying from a dealer, you'd be buying high, & to shift quick, you'd be selling low, potentially loosing a fair chunk of money on it, if you progressed off it fairly rapidly, but if you DONT move off a Learner-Legal in a hurry, the Veradaro is the better one to live with longer term.
Its ALL swings and round-abouts...... and my favourite saying, When it comes to bikes, DONT RUSH, sure way to hurt yourself in the biking world!
Take it one step at a time, keep your mind & your options open, a grin on your face and ENJOY..... thats the main thing1 Its a world of discovery, take your time & enjoy the journey THAT is what biking should be about!
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| Posted: 08:32 - 14 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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the hyosung gt125r is a perfect bike for you i ride one and have done for a year on l's im 6'2 and weigh 21stone and it still performs well and as it looks like a 600 bike large frame etc you wouldnt mind keeping it for long after youve passsed your test too,
heres a pic of my beast
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I rode a Yamaha TDR125 for 2 years as my first bike.
Im 6'5 and 16st.
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