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SillyMe
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Top end metalic taping, only when engine is hot and on idle? Reply with quote

Year 2000 XR400, 6400 genuine miles with history.
Top end metallic taping, only when engine is hot and on idle?
Only taps when I come to a stop at the lights for example and the engine has been running for a while.

I have gone over the valve clearance nearly 10 times and set the exhaust to 1/10th milli and the inlet to 8/100th's. Nice tight fit with the feeler gauges.

I have also noticed that the loosest points of the valves clearances differ and are not in the same place as I rotate the engine anti clockwise, even so I have set them at their loosest points and checked each one through a full rotation of the engine. It's no big deal just annoying.

Any suggestions, cheers!
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah could be, It's supposed to be fitted with an auto tention devise but I bet it doesn't work.
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PostPosted: 20:53 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers, sounds logical also because even drive chains seem to flap around only at certain speeds too.
I'le check it out at the weekend I think.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you tried checking/adjusting the tap-its?
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have gone over the valve clearance nearly 10 times and set the exhaust to 1/10th milli and the inlet to 8/100th's. Nice tight fit with the feeler gauges. There may well be a loose spot I have noticed, beats me!

I have also noticed that the loosest points of the valves clearances differ and are not in the same place as I rotate the engine anti clockwise, even so I have set them at their loosest points and checked each one through a full rotation of the engine.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Esoteric1 wrote:
I have gone over the valve clearance nearly 10 times and set the exhaust to 1/10th milli and the inlet to 8/100th's. Nice tight fit with the feeler gauges. There may well be a loose spot I have noticed, beats me!

I have also noticed that the loosest points of the valves clearances differ and are not in the same place as I rotate the engine anti clockwise, even so I have set them at their loosest points and checked each one through a full rotation of the engine.


Sorry, my poor sense of humour!! Embarassed

To be more helpful, there is a little one way bearing arrangement thingy on the cam decompresser, it is basically there for if/when you get a backfire it doesn't rip the decompresser mechanism in two ... the decompresser is know for odd rattle problems on the XR400 ...

PM Sparks! ... he knows all about this as we had to fiddle with it on his!! Wink

I'd also be checking the valve springs are all in one bit ...
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

{had a quick google for pics you}

Here you go ... this is what I am on about .... (scroll down a few posts)

https://www.4strokes.com/forums/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=11499&whichpage=1
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 14 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrr cheers, I rekon that's what it is them.
I will leave till I go for the complete rebuild I think.
Thanks!

Sometimes it does it intermitently, but as the engine gets warmer the idle speed rises slightly then it does it all the time.
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