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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Not really sure I can put a number on it, it depends on what the technology was when they were last on the roads and what they're using as a bike after getting back on. Generally I would say around ten years, but if they get a sensible first bike now then they're not a born again biker, well they are, but not in the bad way it is normally used like when someone last rode 20 years ago and gets straight onto an R1.

So each case is different I reckon, but generally someone who has been off bikes for more than 10 or 15 years and chooses a bad first bike when they're getting back on would be a born again biker.

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JimboJ · Manc Pikey Joined: 23 Aug 2002 Karma :

I skim read through most of it but; the argument for this was about 1 person being a BAB, the person in question rode bikes say 15-20 years ago maybe, then last year (before Shaun passed his test I might add) he passed DAS.

A BAB is someone who passed their test 20 years ago and rode a 500cc caféé racer or whatever, then after 20 years goes and buys a R6 with the assumption that it's only 100cc's more so it won't be much quicker than the 500cc he had 20 years ago and doesn't get any training either.

The person (Shaun knows who I mean) who he is classing a BAB recently passed their test and had some level of training on a reasonably powerful bike (more than that of the one that Shaun rode on I might add too Wink

) and is now legally riding a powerful bike (Unlike Shaun).

I would class him as a much safer bet than you, so what it was 20 years ago he rode a bike, he has been re-trained to test standard on a larger capacity machine than you did!

James
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JimboJ · Manc Pikey Joined: 23 Aug 2002 Karma :

How predictable Shaun, everything you have said I said you would Razz

the term BAB is a negative comment. You were in bed last night at about ten past 9 so I couldn't tell you then.

There is no set gap, everyone is different and yes he did ride years ago but BAB's are people who are coming back to biking with no training, not taking tests again and assuming they can handle the power Rolling Eyes

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Tarring everyone with the same brush is what insurance companies do, I'm sure you wouldn't like it if I tarred you with the same brush that every young lad is riding round illegally and you're reckless, own a too powerful bike than you can handle etc etc(because you are 100% legal Wink

and I know I'm the same age as you but I'm merely saying).

I was just merely agreeing with what she said, you weren't here so I put it in the thread, can you do anything about it Wink

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Stew · Posted: 08:32 - 28 Jul 2004 Post subject:

Hmmmm, I guess I would be a born again having gone through my Uni years without any vehicle, and then a couple of years afterwards without a bike Confused

. Was I a born again biker at the age of 24? Smile

And what difference would it have made if I was a BAB or a noob, although my circumstances don't realy quailfy me as a BAB as I still had to go through the whole CBT and full test anyway.
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Annabella · Like a person, only smaller Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

I definately agree with Bendy here.

I don't think there can be a true definition of a BAB, there are no tick boxes... It's more a question of attitude, generally BABs are seen as being bikers who have returned to biking and assume that becuase they 'used to ride bikes' are perfectly capable of handling a modern, more powerful machine without any training.
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stinkwheel · Bovine Proctologist Joined: 12 Jul 2004 Karma :

My Dad is a born again biker, definatley. His last bike was a Lambretta LI175 in about 1969, did his test 'round the block' on a honda 50.

About two years ago he decided he would buy a motorbike, turned up one day with a Classic KH350 triple. I have managed to persuade him that this is a stupid bike to try riding anywhere with his level of experience (KH350, insane 70s two stroke racing bike, tops out at 105mph with a razor thin powerband and the most bendy chassis you have ever experienced. Fun, but dangerous) and he now just takes it for a (very slow) bimble to the odd bike show, I feel duty-bound to take the thing out whenever I am home and rag the arse off it, just for decoke purposes you understand?

I suggested to him that as he is short, and rides fairly slowly, he would be better with a lardy cruiser. 650 Dragstar was forthcoming. To be honest he is as safe as anyone else on the road, he seldom goes over 55 on it and just bimbles round corners at small angles of lean. I have followed him and can't fault his riding style.

He had no idea what he was buying mind, and let himself be guided by me. It could just as easily have been that he decided he liked the look of a TL1000s, and without advice may well just have just gone out and bought one. Therein lies the problem.

So... a 34 year gap certainly makes you a BAB.
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Shaun · Likes 'em bent Joined: 17 May 2003 Karma :

It doesn't matter if he had training or not the fact of the matter is he used to ride a bike and now does again with a big break in between. You can't say that he rides safely as the person in question has only been seen riding by Helen twice, you can't judge someones riding by 2 very small glimpses of him, we all have our mad moments and do stuff that we shouldn't and I don't claim not to and I've had training too and passed with no minors, it doesn't mean I ride how I should do all the time.

If your going to throw stuff about me not being 100% legal into the equation Jimbo then lets talk about our journey up to cadwell, I believe you were a bit more on the illegal side than me, or did you forget about that? Rolling Eyes

You could say that I'm reckless if you like, several people have told me that I'm a sensible and cautious rider, however I aren't 100% of the time so I do have my reckless moments but who doesn't.

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Nighteyes · Dirty Bint Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Karma :

Shaun: What is the point of moaning at Jimbo for going 'off topic' and then doing it yourself with comments like this??

zx636 · Scooby Slapper Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Karma :

when I 1st tried to insure a bike I was asked if I had ever ridden before. My age you see. a great 50 this year. Seems insurance companies see anyone who has not ridden for 5 years as a born again rider and their premiums are adjusted upwards accordingly.

It seems to be some old throwback from the days when it took 5 years to get full no claims.

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Bah do you two want to get a room? Razz

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No ta

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