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 Posted: 20:50 - 20 Oct 2010  Post subject: 2011 Honda CBR250R |
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| Posted: 20:57 - 20 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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| Posted: 21:55 - 20 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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Deffo a Monster clone. Good for someone who wants a 250 Monster-alike, otherwise, you can't beat the real thing.  |
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Alex A
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| Posted: 22:59 - 20 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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The VTR250 hasn't changed since the '97 version really. Nothing new, but they always were rare in the UK. Personally I'd love one as a town/short distance commuter/winter bike.
Here's the 1997 model:
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Honda%20VTR250%2097%20%201.jpg
Barely different to the 2011 model pictured above.
The CBR250, however, really isn't a patch on it's defunct namesake:
https://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/m/mu/mushroom82/221916_cbr250.jpg
https://www.2wheelkit.com/images/cbr250rr.jpg
If they made a modern IL4 250cc with mini-me 2008+ Fireblade styling, and an 18k redline (like the original), I bet they'd have the punters queueing up.
Apart from the messy, confused styling, I bet what they've made above is just a 'low' revving, plodding parallel twin a la the Ninja 250. Yawn..
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| Posted: 13:48 - 21 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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| Posted: 18:39 - 21 Oct 2010 Post subject: |
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Styling wise, I kinda like it - apart from the abortion that is the exhaust.
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It`s all about what price they can sell them for ...imho.
I`m sure there are a lot of riders out there who would love a mini-rocketship, I know I would  .
I dont always feel the need to be on the MOST POWERFUL thing I can afford, and i`m sure there are others out there that feel the same way.
I really hope that bike makers start waking up and putting more models on the market.
I think that the UK misses out on a lot of good bikes because short sighted bike manfactures/importers/dealers cant see beyond thier interpritation of our laws and what the biking press tell them.
I did seriously consider buying a Yamaha YBR 250 single as a run-around, until I lost my job.
Surely if we want the biking "scene" to flourish, we need lots of different types of bike on the market?
I think that, that little CBR 150r is a sexy little bike and theres room in my garage for one alongside the CBR 250r.
But as someone else said it`s all about price.
A little bit is also about our culture ie "biggest", "fastest", "trendyest"
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I've got my Mod 2 on Tuesday and if I pass I'm was thinking of getting a Ninja 250 but I like the look of this bike too.
Anyone know if the CBR250 is coming out in the UK next year. Any news / rumours that its coming to the UK? If its coming here, I might hold off till it arrives  |
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SV650 with restrictor kit, old GPX250 (pretty much the same bike with older looking fairings for a 1/4 the price), BROS 400, DRZ400SM.
If you really want to spend that much, personally I'd get a real sports bike, restrict and down gear it. You actually get decent suspension and chassis for the money, plus you have a decent change when you end your restriction - more, it'll lose a lot less in depreciation.
Basically, buying a new bike is going to cost you a lot of money in depreciation. Only really seems worth while if you're getting something you can't get second hand (ie new model with even more power, light weight etc) or you have loads of money to splurge on effectively a newer number plate. In this case, second hand 33hp bikes have been around for a long time. |
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| PhilDawson8270 wrote: | if EU get their way, then in 2012 there'll be license restriction changes. |
They already have. The 3rd European Directive on Driving Licenses is done and dusted. All that remains to be seen is how we'll implement it.
| PhilDawson8270 wrote: | 25+ for DAS |
24, or 2 years after passing the new A2. The minimum age for sitting the new A2 is 18, but may (and I suspect will) be higher.
| PhilDawson8270 wrote: | If you pass a restricted test while under 25, it will NOT automatically de-restrict from 33bhp, you MUST take the test on a large bike to get more than 33bhp when you're over 25. |
Yes, but forget 33bhp, that's going out of the window. The new categories will be (ignoring power to weight):
A1: 125cc and 11kW
A2: any engine size, <35kW (~47HP) but not a bike that generates 70kW+ (94HP) as stock.
A: Hayabusa!
Note carefully that none of the licenses upgrade. If you sit the new A1 test on a 125, you will only ever be allowed to ride 11kW 125s, same as the current A1 "light" license.
There will be no equivalent of the current "A (restricted)" where you sit a test on a 100kph+ 125 and then get access to bigger bikes restricted to 25kW. If you want to ride a 250 or even an unrestricted RS125, then you have to pass an A2 test.
| PhilDawson8270 wrote: | So in 18 months time, the 250's could be quite popular I imagine, and they want their share of the market early. |
Personally, I think the exact opposite will happen, because of the test machine categories.
To ride a 250, you'll first have to pass the new A2 test. You have to sit that test on a bike of at least 400cc and 25kW+. Can you think of any new road bikes being sold in the 400cc to 600cc range? I can't.
Because most engines are a few cc under their marketing displacement, we're realistically talking about "500cc" bikes like the ER-5, which are already getting long in the tooth.
The kicker is that the new A test requires a bike of at least 600cc and 40kW, so all those ~500cc (ER-5) and even "600cc" bikes like the CB600F (599cc!) will be defunct as trainers, regardless of how much power they generate. So training centres will have to upgrade their fleets to full 600cc bikes, which in practice means 650s.
The question is: will they keep any smaller bikes around just for A2 tests? It really depends on our interpretation. On the strictest reading, it might be that you can only train and test on a bike that's 400cc+ and strictly within the power range of 25kW (the minimum for the test) and 35kw (the maximum for A2).
However, it may be interpreted so that A2 training and testing can be done on any bike: certainly the test requirements just specify minimums.
Training schools will certainly be lobbying for "any bike". Why would they want to maintain a fleet of ER-5s and ER-6s? Far better for them if they can do A2 and A training on the same 650cc unrestricted 40kW+ bikes.
And after you've done your A2 training and test on an 200kg+ full power 650, or at a minimum a 500cc ER-5, are you really going to go out and get yourself a dinky 250? All that expensive big-bike training just to get on a YBR 250? Really?
Why not just get yourself the sort of 650 that you're already comfortable on, restrict it to 35kW (still significantly more than the current 25kW restriction), ride it for 2 years, then go and do refresher lesson and then sit the A test - likely on the same bike you sat the A2 on! - and whip the restrictor out of your 650?
Or you might even think "Forget this, I'll just skip the whole farce, wait until I'm 24 and do DAS". That's going to be a blow to training centres, as they lose 3 years of potential DAS trainees in one big lump.
I should be clear, I love small capacity bikes, and I want to see more of them around. But I think the market for anything in the 150-600cc range is going to collapse, not grow.
We'll have 125cc commuters and scooters, a reduced group of 650cc+ riders, and very little in between. Training centres are going to take a beating as well, and that concerns me - they're few and far between as it is.
If anyone disagrees with this assessment, then I'd really appreciate knowing the reasoning behind it. I just can't figure out how the new A2 category is going to do anything but push people onto bigger bikes, while ensuring that fewer people get into biking to begin with.  |
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