ABS compulsory after 2013 on new machines?

[Dr. DaveJPS]

... Wait what!?

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/October/oct22-abs-to-become-compulsory/

yes, i know it's MCN but i was wondering if the sages of BCF could corroborate?
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[blurredman]

That's the EU for you, the sooner we get out of it the better.



Mind you, it would make that dreaded mod1 emergency stop easier wouldn't it?
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[HD]

"The European Commission has refused to let motorcycles have an ABS turn-off switch when the technology becomes compulsory on models over 125cc in 2013."

Looks like we are gonna have to stick to 50s then
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[SamJL]

To be fair the ABS is so light and works so well on new bikes, there's no reason not to have it!
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[SamJL]

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[stinkwheel]

To a car driver, ABS is a backup safety system in case of an emergency or unforseen road conditions. I reckon this is how the EU will be seeing it too.

To a biker, it's a performance aid.

The EU clearly don't realise that bikers use ABS to brake later and harder, thereby going faster.
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

Bureaucracy aside. It's progress. Like Radial tyres. Disc brakes..better pads.
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[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

You can still buy cars without seatbelts, so pretty sure there'll be plenty of R1s in the future for those that like to skid old skool.
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[stinkwheel]

[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

OT: Drum brake on my 250 has loads of feel. Very confident in it. The front . Manly squeeze.
I think the thing i like most about the new bike are the front brakes. 2up with luggage and they haul..and haul..and i know there's still some hauling still left. The brembo rear is more a balancing aid than a stopping aid.
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[Ichy]

Nice and simple, you get nothing for free, take a look at the cost of bikes with and without ABS.

[JP7]

Does this mean the end of the road for the stoppy? What will the posers do now?

The trick with ABS is never to need to activate it, but it's nice to have it there in case you do.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Very mixed feelings on this.

It probably will prevent quite a few accidents, but also likely to remove experience and get people to push themselves to a point where the resulting accident is rather faster and more serious.

On a car there is the issue that on certain surfaces (fresh snow of a reasonable depth for example) ABS will increase stopping distances. However suspect with a bike as locking the front wheel is likely to rapidly result in falling off I am not sure this is a major issue.

All the best

Keith
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[SirEdward]

No common sense to be found in this thread. I'm disappoint'.

ABS compulsory - yes, please. Also, at least 2-way cats must be mandatory on bikes built 201x.

If the populace can't see the reasoning for it, they'll just tax you into submission.
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[blurredman]

hate CAT's



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[lihp]

I am sure that in the MCN article in the paper, it says bikes OVER 125 it will be compulsory that means 125 won't need them.

It also says that they should be retaining an on/off switch for safety. so it can be disabled on loose surfaces.

More worrying, is the EU's intention to ban home servicing and bolt on modifications, talks of using equipment like shear bolts on all exhaust fittings etc, and encrypted ecu fault codes etc so that only dealers have access.

[Gone]

[Skudd]

[Gone]

Surely the point is not whether ABS is better/safer/sexier or whatever, but that people should be able to make the choice of whether to have it and use it themselves, not have a bunch of bureaucratic wankers making their choices for them.

[Kickstart]

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