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PostPosted: 19:56 - 23 Oct 2010    Post subject: Sprocket wear Reply with quote

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As my rear tyre is getting close to replacement time again i had a close look at the sprockets and chain and i think they are getting close to changing, however i m a bit confused as the chain is only on the 3rd mark on the adjustment and is still in excelent condition but the sprockets seem worn.
Now how mutch longer would i get from the setup as is?, the bike has 11 thou on it now, ive lookedfor o ring kits but they seem expensive with the afam the most expensive, any know where the cheapest place is to get the oring chain kit if i need one, its annoying because the chain lookes to have shit loads left in it. I have thought of just replacin the sprockets but that seems frowned upon.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 23 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still life in those sprockets, barely look sharp.

Changing sprockets on their own will accelerate the wear on the chain as they 'break in'.

Look at rear sprocket picture. Grab the chain inbetween the teeth around the 4 o'clock position and pull it away from the sprocket. If you're not able to move it (~2-3mm) easily then there's life left in it.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Front looks shot but the rear still has life in it.

I would be tempted to replace the set.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:02 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you regularly pin the throttle to the stops moving off? Smile

I agree with Kickstart on replace set. (Chain and sprockets)

And stop nailing it.... Smile

ps You have just degreased that machine or Scottoiler?

It looks very clean. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will try and and get a tad more yet out of it, the chain looks like that all year round, i wipe and oil it every 2-3 days and after every ride in rain with gear oil Very Happy, seems strange the sprockets wear out but th chain has hardly any adjustment. And no for pinning lols on a ybr.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

You have maintained the chain well (oil on the inside of the chain is the important bit). However short of an automatic chain oiler not much you can do to reduce the wear on the sprockets.

Normally front sprockets are made from far harder material than the rears to equalise the wear (~1/3 the number of teeth on the front so ~3 times the wear).

If you want to be a cheap skate then you could try a new front sprocket. However with small bikes a full set isn't that much compared to just the sprocket so long term no real saving.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark65 wrote:
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I will try and and get a tad more yet out of it, the chain looks like that all year round, i wipe and oil it every 2-3 days and after every ride in rain with gear oil Very Happy, seems strange the sprockets wear out but th chain has hardly any adjustment.
Mark


Maybe you need to fork out on some 'proper' chain lube then. Smile

The rollers on the chain are harder than the sprocket teeth that's why the teeth are so much more worn. It is important to provide the sprocket teeth with lube too.
In principle the chain link rollers should spin on the chain link pins as they are pulled by and pull on the sprockets but there is side to side movement between the roller and tooth so that causes wear.

I got the same effect when I stupidly fitted a racing rear to the Thundercat. Lasted about 3 months made of aluminimumumum. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
yamaha quote £99 for a kit , however i come across a genuine 05-06 kit for £45, yamaha say the only difference is the part number so the reckon it could just be a different chain, im waiting on comformation that the bargain kit is indeed a oring chain, any know if there is any difference or just marketing bullshit?.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Not sure. Check on JT Sprocket site for the sprocket fitments.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark65 wrote:
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yamaha quote £99 for a kit , however i come across a genuine 05-06 kit for £45, yamaha say the only difference is the part number so the reckon it could just be a different chain, im waiting on comformation that the bargain kit is indeed a oring chain, any know if there is any difference or just marketing bullshit?.
Ta
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Be careful. There ar esome pikey bastarts in the motorbike spares world.
No regulation so Caveat Emptor.

I would not imagine you can get an o ring chain for less than 70 quid

I tried for a CG125 about 4 moths ago and got nothing under 70. chain only.

If they say Oring chain it will come with two orings for the join or be sold un-broken. Which means the swing arm needs to come off.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Mark65 wrote:
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yamaha quote £99 for a kit , however i come across a genuine 05-06 kit for £45, yamaha say the only difference is the part number so the reckon it could just be a different chain, im waiting on comformation that the bargain kit is indeed a oring chain, any know if there is any difference or just marketing bullshit?.
Ta
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Be careful. There ar esome pikey bastarts in the motorbike spares world.
No regulation so Caveat Emptor.

I would not imagine you can get an o ring chain for less than 70 quid

I tried for a CG125 about 4 moths ago and got nothing under 70. chain only.

If they say Oring chain it will come with two orings for the join or be sold un-broken. Which means the swing arm needs to come off.


you can break an endless chain and then rivet it or split link it again
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

also is the original chain an o ring?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
also is the original chain an o ring?


Highly unlikely.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:21 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes my oem chain is a did o ring chain on the ybr

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PostPosted: 14:29 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

That is very surprising on a budget bike.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Not sure. Check on JT Sprocket site for the sprocket fitments.

All the best

Keith


Thnx keith,
it seems the front sprocket mounting holes are the only difference30mm c-c on the 07 and 34mm c-c on the 06, but if i get a lock tab with the kit should it not make a diff, the kit ive seen is a genuine yam kit.

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If that is the only difference then it would seem you just need a matching locking tab.

All the best

Keith
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/DID_V_-_O_Ring_Chain_and_Sprocket_Kit_Upgrade-ref-17353-9254-2475.html

I've been using this over the last 9-10'000ish miles and it's been fine. I think the sprockets are JT ones as well. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
you can break an endless chain and then rivet it or split link it again


I know you can but you need a special tool to do it or take the bike to one who has it.

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PostPosted: 17:01 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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That is very surprising on a budget bike.

All the best

Keith


CG125 used to come with a big cover over the chain.

Someone in their infinate wizdum at Honda decided to spruce the look up so removed the guard and fitted a smaller top thingie.

This meant they had to upgrade the chain from dry to o-ring.

DID make the chain. about £80.

I have a couple of T-shirts for this task. Embarassed

I fitted a non sealed to the CG coz am too tight to buy the o-ring chain.
But I lube it every trip.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil. wrote:
https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/DID_V_-_O_Ring_Chain_and_Sprocket_Kit_Upgrade-ref-17353-9254-2475.html

I've been using this over the last 9-10'000ish miles and it's been fine. I think the sprockets are JT ones as well. Thumbs Up


Neil did that come with a proper link or a split, i dont have a chain tool so will need a split link t get me to a bike shop.
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark65 wrote:
neil. wrote:
https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/DID_V_-_O_Ring_Chain_and_Sprocket_Kit_Upgrade-ref-17353-9254-2475.html

I've been using this over the last 9-10'000ish miles and it's been fine. I think the sprockets are JT ones as well. Thumbs Up


Neil did that come with a proper link or a split, i dont have a chain tool so will need a split link t get me to a bike shop.
ty
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Split link only IIRC. Hasn't caused me any problems either (unlike the IRIS one previously).
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm split link Shocked , did the split come with the orings as well for it and was it the same length chain?, sorry to be a pain, its either that or £30 off ebay for the 2 yamaha sprockets and buy a chain seperatly.
ty Also the Afam kit works out the same price would they be better?
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark65 wrote:
hmmm split link Shocked , did the split come with the orings as well for it and was it the same length chain?, sorry to be a pain, its either that or £30 off ebay for the 2 yamaha sprockets and buy a chain seperatly.
ty Also the Afam kit works out the same price would they be better?
Mark


Yes, it had everything, even a little bag of grease I seem to remember for when you put the link together. Length is correct.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 25 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks neil Very Happy
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