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PostPosted: 19:00 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Stoves - Using in enclosed spaces... Reply with quote

...such as inside a truck cab.

What are my options so I dont poison myself. I can of course open windows and stuff, but it will still be quite a confined area.

I need a stove to cook evening meals with, just something that will boil a pan of water and heat a frying pan effectively.

Compact as possibly is an advantage due to drastic lack of storage space.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will you bhe driving at the same time?
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Re: Stoves - Using in enclosed spaces... Reply with quote

While it's not amazingly compact, those single burner stoves that take the tall gas canisters are quite convenient.

Gas is a bit more expensive than some, but cheaper if you buy in bulkfrom cheaper places.

A lot less hassle than a lot of 'camping' stoves as there's no balancing and you get a decently wide flame. Also, the gas cylinder sits inside the unit, so it stows away with less hassle.

I've got a few and don't use more than one at once, so you're welcome to borrow one if you want to see what it's like etc.

https://www.leisureshack.co.uk/axThumb/axThumbNail.aspx?FILE=203794-1.jpg&WIDTH=350&HEIGHT=350


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PostPosted: 21:50 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a couple of these for cooking and drinks when on my van runs to prague, bacon sarnies and cups of tea Very Happy
Fill a flask with hot water so you don't have to keep boiling water.
When in winter i take a generator, open one back door, start genny, toaster, kettle and heater.

Anyway, just keep a door or window open and cook away, not killed me yet

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PostPosted: 21:53 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a coleman petrol stove. I've seen people use them INSIDE tents.

Just keep a window open and it should convect new air in, just watch out if the flames go all yellow.

The red bottle type stoves can't be used in such a manner because you've got to prime them, priming them on a coleman means pumping it, priming on a red bottle stove means pumping it and setting it alight.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 19 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boiling a cup of water wouldn't make enough carbon monoxide to kill you anyway but the risk is there if you get careless (fall asleep or something!)
A more real danger is changing cylinders or leaking connections in an enclosed space, I really wouldn't be swapping them inside at all.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be most concerned about the stove or cooking pot wobbling off or being knocked over and melting stuff or setting fire to the seats etc. As long as you've got somewhere insulated and solid beneath the stove I'd think you'd be ok, especially with the one G suggested, as it has a low centre of gravity. Just open the window tad.

There will be cooking steam anyway and steamed up windows in the cab will just attract unwanted attention!! Shocked

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PostPosted: 11:22 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Get a coleman petrol stove. I've seen people use them INSIDE tents.

Just keep a window open and it should convect new air in, just watch out if the flames go all yellow.



Don't do this, however I suspect you wouldn't anyway. Itchy coleman petrol stoves work on other non toxic fuels too so I suspect they were using those, you shouldn't ever burn petrol in an enclosed space as it gives off unpleasant gases.
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 20 Sep 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:

Don't do this, however I suspect you wouldn't anyway. Itchy coleman petrol stoves work on other non toxic fuels too so I suspect they were using those, you shouldn't ever burn petrol in an enclosed space as it gives off unpleasant gases.


Yeah I know, only adventure touring would I use petrol. And outside the tent.

I currently use white spirit and panel wipe recommended to me by a BCFer. Probably worse than petrol though Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Re: Stoves - Using in enclosed spaces... Reply with quote

G wrote:
While it's not amazingly compact, those single burner stoves that take the tall gas canisters are quite convenient.

Gas is a bit more expensive than some, but cheaper if you buy in bulkfrom cheaper places.

A lot less hassle than a lot of 'camping' stoves as there's no balancing and you get a decently wide flame. Also, the gas cylinder sits inside the unit, so it stows away with less hassle.

I've got a few and don't use more than one at once, so you're welcome to borrow one if you want to see what it's like etc.



One issue with these is that you can't always get the correct gas cartridges outside of the UK. I have a gas adapter for my Trangia that takes the Coleman type and France is the only place I have been able to reliably source them recently, and have never seen the long "aerosol" style ones these stoves use in any shops were I bought my replacements from.

I think Bluet (sp) aka Camping Gaz have the rest of the world sewn up.

I like the Coleman gas is it is a propane and butane mix and works well at high altitude.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

A triangia or similar spirit burning stove would probably be safest. It's non pressurised, clean burning and you can put out a meths fire with water if it all goes horribly wrong.

Might need to put something heatproof under it depending on the design.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

At one time who whole truck would have been a stove. Being as it was coal. Damn good stuff!
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about using a heating element that plugs into the cigarette lighter, to boil water. You could use the water for instant noodles, potnoodle, or couscous. I'm sure truck batteries are not gonna be drained by that.

I got one from the pound shop, I guess they must be available on the net too.

EDIT found one
https://www.swd-uk.net/12v-water-heater-element-356-p.asp

I had thought about mains powered plug in electric hobs, but at 1.5kw, they may be too thirsty to use on a 12v to 240v converter.

If I were gonna cook on a burning fuel stove, I'd set it outside to cook, then bring it in when done. If I were determined to do it inside, it would be a meths burner trangia type thing but I dont think I'd want to do that regularly in case something went wrong.

I dont think it would be so bad, to open the door, put it outside, then bring it in when cooked.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do know you can get 24V microwaves?
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You do know you can get 24V microwaves?


Just looked and they're about £250 minimum and you'd barely get a mug in one by the look of them. They also draw 30 amps so need hooking up directly to the batteries. You may aswell spend £80-100 on a 1000-1500 watt inverter, wire it into the battery and run a household low wattage microwave off it.

I do like the fact Colin thinks that an ideal solution to meals while working away all week in a truck is to live off Pot Noodles and cupasoup.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
I do like the fact Colin thinks that an ideal solution to meals while working away all week in a truck is to live off Pot Noodles and cupasoup.


He's a wise man Laughing

You could always warm up a tin of soup with the element.
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 29 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:


I do like the fact Colin thinks that an ideal solution to meals while working away all week in a truck is to live off Pot Noodles and cupasoup.


I'm not so much a fan of pot noodles and cupasoups, but I do like instant noodles. Cous cous is also great and just needs boiling water a bit of salt and mixing with a bit of tinned sardines or whatever. I've lived on that kind of stuff for ages when I cant be arsed to make anything fancy.

In fact, thinking about it makes me wanna go make some cous cous and tinned fish now.

You can also use cook in sauces, like the lloyd grossman ones to add a bit more flavour. I made some cous cous like this when I went camping with salty off here a year or two ago. I wasnt sure he'd like it, but he said he did. I also added some cooked dried chickpeas that asian shops near me sell, which gave a bit more protein to it, as I hadnt brought along tinned fish.

If doing tinned fish and cous cous, i recommend the oil ones, or the ones in sauce, as the brine wont taste as good.

Another thing you could do is those herta hot dog sausage, I like those and can quite happily live on them with a bit of bread, admittedly I like is lightly toasted.

Another possibility, as we have threads before of people cooking bacon wrapped in foil on exhaust pipes, is you could find a hot place on the truck to cook stuff. Although timing might be a bit hit and miss, until you got the hang of it.

EDIT : I've eaten my cous cous with tinner mackeral stirred in with some chilli sauce. I used to live on this stuff, and I liked it, so I should go back to living on it.
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PostPosted: 03:52 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

just googled what stink said and found these

https://www.roadking.co.uk/mobile-12v-and-24v-microwave-ovens.html

£20 for a mini oven cool Smile
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a thought... ie you're a lorry driver and thus you have yourself a 400bhp turbocharged lorry engine..... surely the engine in this thing generates a hell of a lot of heat!! As evidenced by the heat guards around the exhausts and stuff. You could maybe cook something off that and quite easily burn it to a crisp too.

https://www.wikihow.com/Cook-Food-on-Your-Car%27s-Engine
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 30 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
A triangia or similar spirit burning stove would probably be safest. It's non pressurised, clean burning and you can put out a meths fire with water if it all goes horribly wrong.

Might need to put something heatproof under it depending on the design.


Even better if you use the Greenheat fuel cells.. https://www.greenheat.co.za/ViewProduct.aspx?tID=174

No spills and easier to carry and pack than meths bottles.

I had meths in a Sigg bottle that the vent got blocked a few years back over in the Pyrenees. The bottom actually bowed outwards with the pressure caused by the meths overheating and expanding.. it was around 38C at the time!
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 31 Oct 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
I just had a thought... ie you're a lorry driver and thus you have yourself a 400bhp turbocharged lorry engine..... surely the engine in this thing generates a hell of a lot of heat!! As evidenced by the heat guards around the exhausts and stuff. You could maybe cook something off that and quite easily burn it to a crisp too.

Coz tipping the cab over just to heat up some food would be a PITA
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I just had a thought... ie you're a lorry driver

I`ve just had a thought too....................... shouldn`t the OP have been posted on a lorry drivers forum
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