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PostPosted: 08:48 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Keeping the brain sharp after degree Reply with quote

So, not to bore you guys too much, but I used to be a lot sharper. The end of my degree I used to regularly post page long rants on here, well, boring you guys.

Admittedly I'm a lot more laissez faire about most things now and can't be arsed going over old ground (vegetarians, god, Africa, etc), but part of it is I don't feel as mentally agile any more. Which is a rather big understatement.

In the 2.5 years since I left uni I've kept myself busy, but in retrospect not a single thing has required any brain power (perhaps the diving physics which I had to explain to people often, which again I've fully forgotten now) but now I'm back to science (teaching it no less) and my brain is utterly rebelling.

Maybe I'll pick it back up, but I'm feeling quite retarded at the moment.

How is everyone else coping since their degree? I know the gist of things, or the ultimate answer, but I'm buggered if I remember any of the important bits on the way.

Is this ultimately the joy of life? Get fit enough to get complacent, get a beer gut... rinse and repeat until you die. Likewise, do something intelligent for a few years, get damn intelligent, switch to watching lots of downloaded tv and getting drunk for a year, struggle to win arguments with pub philosophers.

Relearn... rinse and repeat.

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PostPosted: 09:00 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's normal..lack of use leads to lack of ability Very Happy

I taught myself to program in Perl and PHP about 7 or 8 years ago just for something to do, lost interest in web related stuff shortly after and stopped learning and revising.

Fast forward to now, and my brother asks me to help him out with his new website, an online 'comic'...He wants a nice interactive site and a PHP + SQL backend seemed a good idea to me...

I can hardly remember anything!! Very Happy I'm sure I'll remember after I give my brain a nudge but it's so much harder than it was!
If I was getting paid for it, I'm sure the motivation would be better though!
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

asharin wrote:


I can hardly remember anything!! Very Happy I'm sure I'll remember after I give my brain a nudge but it's so much harder than it was!
If I was getting paid for it, I'm sure the motivation would be better though!


Yeh, the biology is coming back to me fairly swiftly, although still can't remember anything. But I appear to be teaching a whole term of Stoichiometry (Chemistry equations) for my chemistry class Embarassed

Means shorter 'teaching' lessons as set them lots of problems to do, as you have to practice them to learn them anyway. But have to 'teach myself' everything too, and know it well enough to teach in pigeon english (and field questions/figure out fuck ups).

A few years back it might have hurt my head less, put it that way.

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PostPosted: 10:01 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learn a non Latin based language .
Arabic is quite easy and fun.
Russian is hard.
Finnish and Hungarian are impossible as are Mandarin and Cantonese.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: Keeping the brain sharp after degree Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:


[etc etc]

Relearn... rinse and repeat.

Neutral

Sounds fun.


Thing is ... what did you put on the application form when you were born?

Come to think of it ... What choice did you have.

Blame your parents, try not to hate them for bringing you life, and make the best of a bad job.

We owe it to ourselves to make the decision whether we waste our lives being couch potatoes, or whether we validate ourselves.

Ultimately, the only person you are validating your life and/or your skillset for ... is you. REALLY you're not doing in for your parents or your boss... its only for what makes you content in this life you never inflicted upon yourself.

So yeah, you have a right, indeed, an obligation to please yourself or to improve yourself FOR yourself (if you catch my drift)

Personally I hate it that my brain has got lazy. I totally relate to your concerns. "I used to be so brainy" is one of my pet rants.

Conversely, I refuse to [be seen to be doing] Brain Training cos I don't like doing what everybody else is doing. Maybe once all the Daily Mail readers have jumped on whatever the next chattering classes bandwaggon is, then I'll try it out and see whether it actually helps.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea Ariel.
Interesting tips about the languages.

Meantime I still try to write things in shorthand, just to keep my hand in (so to speak).

(the head nun at my school always tried to convince us that shorthand was another language just like Latin or French)
(yeah right) Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Learn a non Latin based language .
Arabic is quite easy and fun.
Russian is hard.
Finnish and Hungarian are impossible as are Mandarin and Cantonese.


Been 'learning' (more picking up) Thai for the last 6 months. Can speak and listen to a half decent standard. Infact my favourite Thai song recently seemed to be playing at about half the speed it normally is, and I could make out loads of words/sentences etc.

Still, not really the same thing unfortunately.

Aye Hellkat, but as Asharin says, without monetary motivation it's a hard thing to keep up. My rants on here used to be my outlet, and that slowly dried up. I may have compounded my problem by 6 months unemployed and then 6 months working possibly the most mindless job available. Oh and then 6 months working on a beach doing nothing but floating about underwater... I'd sacrifice the intellect to be doing /that/ again Laughing

But still, the point remains, if you aren't doing a mentally difficult (and related to your previous education) job, you will forget bloomin' everything.

My two years out and about have certainly made me a more fluffy and well rounded person, which maybe again is helped by not feeling the urge to correct EVERYTHING people say. But still, I miss it.

As for owing it to myself... the getting weight down is owing it to myself, and I'm now suitably sexy (and will continue until some kind of eating condition at this rate) because I know once I'm happy I will no doubt rebound. But that really does improve quality of life.

Just curious if putting in lots of time and effort to get 'brainy' is really worth the pay off, especially after a lifetime bleating about the horrors of being more intelligent then your peers...
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you read? Works for me. Usually read lots over the breaks to counter all the gaming that reduces your vocabulary to swear words.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Learn a non Latin based language .
Arabic is quite easy and fun.
Russian is hard.
Finnish and Hungarian are impossible as are Mandarin and Cantonese.


You're not wrong about the Finnish, I started trying to learn it as a mental exercise and ended up living here the last 14 years. Still haven't got a real command of it.

I am sure the brain looses its edge as we get older, drink and drugs don't help, either. Speaking from experience, of course.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FinnDave wrote:
drink and drugs don't help, either


NOW he tells us.

I didn't used to do drugs at all, and I still ended up ditzy*. I barely started smoking spliffs till I turned 40, but my brain is still fucked (but in a nice, fuzzy kinda way).

Anyway ... I have a lot of catching up to do.

*oh god, that means its genetic, and there's prolly nothing I can do to stop the decline Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
As for owing it to myself... the getting weight down is owing it to myself, and I'm now suitably sexy


Don't make me think about your body.
You really must try harder to bring your brain back up to speed, cos I used to pretend I only liked you for your brains Wink
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stuff I learned for my degree, as it turns out, was barely adequate. I use just about everything I covered (except some of the more in-depth biochem and pharmacology but I still retain a general understanding of it).

Whilst a lot of it becomes routine, as in you just know something without having to think about it, the knowledge is added to and challenged all the time by something left of field. I quite often have to go back to first principals and figure what the hell is going on.

I do find you get a bit jaded along the way though. It's not new learning, it's building on the foundations you already have and you get stuck in one track. Even though you're learning new stuff all the time, your brain is telling you you already know about it.

I suppose that's one of the reasons I mess on in the workshop section on this site a lot. It's a very similar set of problem solving skills to diagnosing a sick animal but a totally different system you are working with.

My maths level is totally abysmal though. Probably at standard grade level or lower. I never was much good at it and lack of trying hasn't improved matters. Must try harder.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:


Don't make me think about your body.
You really must try harder to bring your brain back up to speed, cos I used to pretend I only liked you for your brains Wink


I has a sword now Laughing

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(in my defence, this picture got me lots of boobs, and now it shall annoy Hellkat Very Happy)
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: Keeping the brain sharp after degree Reply with quote

Hi

Largely find something similar, but not sure what causes it.

For me it seemed to come to a head with work going badly down hill, but not sure it that is just a coincidence with age.

hellkat wrote:

Conversely, I refuse to [be seen to be doing] Brain Training cos I don't like doing what everybody else is doing.


Still not convinced they are really that much help. My brain went massively down hill at the same time as I was doing loads of Sodoku which should get you thinking.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:53 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy to keep your brain sharp - keep studying.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't Suduko fairly mindless though? The equivalent of a jigsaw puzzle but with numbers?

I wonder if there is a page full of scientific equations somewhere on the net, where you could learn one or two, and do some practice. That's sharpened me up over a few weeks.

But like most things, a little bit of an increase just lets you know rather starkly how much you've initially decreased...
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
Isn't Suduko fairly mindless though? The equivalent of a jigsaw puzzle but with numbers?


Depends what you mean by mindless. Requires thought, far more than just learning a few equations rather then deriving them from principles.

Either way little different to the kind of "brain training" advocated.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:


You also has what appears to be a handbag dangling from your right elbow.

Those boobs you got - were they attached to proper women?
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 Years after school and I've forgotten a lot of the stuff I have learnt, I used to be pretty good at working out Maths in my head (although was never very good at the subject) was quite good in science (got A and a B) etc but I've forgotten so much of it now and find it hard to do maths in my head. Embarassed

Use it or loose it I find, I did German gcse, can barley speak a word of it now.

Although I have found my everyday knowledge etc better than at school, but I guess that comes from experience than anything else though.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


Depends what you mean by mindless. Requires thought, far more than just learning a few equations rather then deriving them from principles.

Either way little different to the kind of "brain training" advocated.

All the best

Keith


Easy tiger, I also find Countdown mindless so you're not alone.

Granted, equations aren't that brilliant either, but learning how to sort data to fit in them etc, and know what the inputs and outputs mean. That forces understanding. Blindly plugging numbers into a calculator is retarded, I'd totally agree.

Of course most people convert an equation into 'this number goes here, this goes here, and this is the answer' and it becomes mindless. But to start with it's alreet.

What other activities have we got?
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You also has what appears to be a handbag dangling from your right elbow.

Those boobs you got - were they attached to proper women?


Have spent too long around tourism/tourist industries. EVERYONE says about how many camera cases they acquire.

So now mine is tied to the camera.

Plus in this humidity it needs to be near silica gel at all times Laughing

Surprised the 'handbag' concerns you more than the sword. But I tell you, it's almost as cathartic as a punchbag. And it was 1 pound Very Happy

And erm Shifty ... yes. A real woman (once 'she' saves up enough)
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Most things on that basis are mindless.

My point was that Sudoku are just like the kind of thing that the brain training apps are. Basic but to get some kind of thinking. And I am far from convinced that they are that useful, unless your brain is already fried.

If you want to learn things in detail then you need to keep learning which is going to mean ever more detail. And probably ever more detail in an ever smaller and more specialised area with everything else suffering.

All the best

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PostPosted: 12:36 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
Surprised the 'handbag' concerns you more than the sword. But I tell you, it's almost as cathartic as a punchbag. And it was 1 pound Very Happy


As an ex-kendoka I was inwardly cringing at your complete and utter lack of anything approaching technique, but out of politeness, considered your handbag to be the least embarrassing point to raise.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brain prioritizes according to need, and the fancy of the moment is it's need. RAM to HD and back again, as required.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 07 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bonny wrote:
I wonder if there is a page full of scientific equations somewhere on the net, where you could learn one or two, and do some practice. That's sharpened me up over a few weeks.


https://www.khanacademy.org/
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