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PostPosted: 10:43 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Triumph launch a new off road bike... Reply with quote

A 1hp one at that?

https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs288.snc4/40732_452346546657_582986657_5682385_6004424_n.jpg

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Funny to think that even at 14,500 feet above see level a bike brand is still strong.

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PostPosted: 14:38 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say so, I mean I doubt I could see past 10000 feet let alone 14000 feet, and I am not even short sighted.
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ona side note triumpgh actually have released a new offroad adventure stylely bike.

Tiger 800XC

https://dalefranks.com/cycles/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2011-Triumph-Tiger-800-XC.jpg
https://www.cycleworld.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q4/2011_triumph_tiger_800_and_800_xc_-_first_look/3556937-1-eng-US/2011_triumph_tiger_800_and_800_xc_-_first_look_image_575_346.jpg


I could see myself on the road new tiger too, definitely a possible replacement for the TDM. People at the TDM forum are convinced this will be the death of the TDM.

https://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2011-triumph-tiger-800-preview%201.jpg
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Ona side note triumpgh actually have released a new offroad adventure stylely bike.

Tiger 800XC

https://dalefranks.com/cycles/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2011-Triumph-Tiger-800-XC.jpg
https://www.cycleworld.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/motorcycle_news/first_looks_articles/10q4/2011_triumph_tiger_800_and_800_xc_-_first_look/3556937-1-eng-US/2011_triumph_tiger_800_and_800_xc_-_first_look_image_575_346.jpg


I could see myself on the road new tiger too, definitely a possible replacement for the TDM. People at the TDM forum are convinced this will be the death of the TDM.

https://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/files/2011-triumph-tiger-800-preview%201.jpg


200kg wet weight is a lot for an off roader though. With 20kg less, you might even get G to buy one, but at the moment its a little bit too heavy.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not save weight by not bolting so much shit to it?
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least the XC has got decent sized wheels; but so far they seem to have built something not quite as good as a 950/990 adventure at best.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

@MJ Not compared to it's targets, I reckon it must a be a lighter than the BMW GS/ Yamaha S10 etc. A quick google puts the GS800 at 207kg it also has more power than the GS800 and only a little bit off of the 1200 whilest being alot lighter.

@G why don't you think it would measure up to the KTMs?
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
1. triumph

2. offroad

3. ????

4. bad aids!


Tell that to McQueen

The bike he (his character) jumped the fence on was a modified Triumph Trophy as the BMW couldn't do it.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mind you Chris-red and G... the Wet weight of the KTM 990 adventure is listed at 235kg...
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it looks like a cracking bike based on the specs and seems better than most others out there based on the balance of power and weight, but bearing in mind my offroad experience is limited to one day on one bike, and my soft spot from Triumph I wouldn't rush out and buy one on my say so!
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PostPosted: 17:29 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the action pic looks good but the side profile and road tyres ruin the image in my eyes.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies, got my specs mixed up etc... on paper it does look pretty interesting actually. Technically a little better than the KTM as far as weight goes and similar suspension travel/fuel capacity.

Be interesting to see if it can handle the dirty stuff decently - I liked the idea of the F800GS until I saw all the horror stories about it when actually used off-road.

So I'll change that to say "at best they have built something slightly better than a 950/990 adventure".
Note the 950 adventure weighed a bit less I believe and had a bit more fuel capacity.

It's nice to see a single exhaust on the trumpet - cheaper to replace with a light weight example (saving of about 5kgs on my 690) and less mass altogether.

What I think could have made it very interesting is if they could have got the electronic toys of the new Multistrada in without compromising the weight.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks Chris BFG .. you've spoilt my Bonnerville dream now ... as i thought Mqueen was on a bonny .. Laughing Embarassed


All the Triumphs of that era were very similar anyway. A new Bonnie is the nearest you'll get to a sixties Trophy or Tiger I reckon.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
I think the action pic looks good but the side profile and road tyres ruin the image in my eyes.


They are 2 different bikes, the roads tyres is the tiger 800 and the off road the Tiger 800XC
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
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Thanks Chris BFG .. you've spoilt my Bonnerville dream now ... as i thought Mqueen was on a bonny .. Laughing Embarassed


All the Triumphs of that era were very similar anyway. A new Bonnie is the nearest you'll get to a sixties Trophy or Tiger I reckon.


I believe the sole different between a Bonnie and a Trophy is that a Trophy had a single carb. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Be interesting to see if it can handle the dirty stuff decently - I liked the idea of the F800GS until I saw all the horror stories about it when actually used off-road.

So I'll change that to say "at best they have built something slightly better than a 950/990 adventure".
Note the 950 adventure weighed a bit less I believe and had a bit more fuel capacity.


Bear in mind the KTMs have shocking fuel consumption though, the Triumph should do more miles to a tank even though it's a couple of litres shy capacity wise.

I don't especially like the look of them but if they're well built and not overloaded with electronics then they'd be a bit more appealing than an 800GS would.

Anybody know what the service intervals are?
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you had to clean mud from the 950?
Always thought lots of extra plastic was a bit silly on dirt bike, but wonder if it actually makes it less-bad to clean - the XC looks like it could be a bit of a nightmare.
(I had to clean 6 dirt-encrusted bikes on Sunday, not great fun and they're far from pristine.)
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have you had to clean mud from the 950?
Always thought lots of extra plastic was a bit silly on dirt bike, but wonder if it actually makes it less-bad to clean - the XC looks like it could be a bit of a nightmare.
(I had to clean 6 dirt-encrusted bikes on Sunday, not great fun and they're far from pristine.)


With the standard bashplate and the ludicrous amount of plastic on the KTM it is fairly well covered up, but what you gain there you lose in having to take everything off when you're working on the bike (I bet the Triumph would be a fair bit quicker to service). There are probably worse bikes to have to clean than the 950, but there's still a lot of it to clean.

You have a point though, lattice framed bikes like this and the 800GS could well be a royal pain in the arse. You can at least hose down the KTM and have it looking pretty decent straight away.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would you ever not buy a bike because it is harder to clean than some others? Laughing


I imagine the Tiger 800 would have better intervals than my S4 which is every 6k Minor/major/minor, I reckon it will be every 8k.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Would you ever not buy a bike because it is harder to clean than some others? Laughing


I imagine the Tiger 800 would have better intervals than my S4 which is every 6k Minor/major/minor, I reckon it will be every 8k.


To me the ideal bike requires zero maintenance, so the less faffing about required to clean it and service it the better! Razz

The worst feature of the KTMs is the 4500 mile service interval combined with the fact that servicing is such a pain. To ride, on and off road, it's perfect. I'm contemplating another 800GS test ride at some point, particularly since the second hand prices seem to have nosedived lately.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think they really expect it to go offroad. Its just way to make comfy tourer-ish bikes sexy. I'm sure it could be used offroad, but it will be set up for road use.

I think its a good thing for comfy high bar bikes to have a nice image, as race reps designed for the track arent the best road choice for everyone.
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I dont think they really expect it to go offroad. Its just way to make comfy tourer-ish bikes sexy. I'm sure it could be used offroad, but it will be set up for road use.

I think its a good thing for comfy high bar bikes to have a nice image, as race reps designed for the track arent the best road choice for everyone.


I think they want the XC version to have genuine offroad credentials...
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually think are expecting it to be used for some off-roading. The non-XC version offers similar ergonomics that work much better on road.
The 21" front wheel won't be nearly as suitable for road stuff.

Of course we could say the same for the BMW F800GS which had proper tyre sizes (only the 1200 HP2 models had a 21" front, not the GS ones). However while BMW does have a reputation as a poser's adventure bike, obviously enough people did use it off road to find the problems Smile.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 10 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
I dont think they really expect it to go offroad. Its just way to make comfy tourer-ish bikes sexy. I'm sure it could be used offroad, but it will be set up for road use.

I think its a good thing for comfy high bar bikes to have a nice image, as race reps designed for the track arent the best road choice for everyone.


Sorry this is crap, if the XC is not expected to go off road why bother making a separate road bias version? This is designed to go offroad as much as a KTM Adventure, and more so than a GS or S10. Look at the standard rubber.
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