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Munday
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Buying a bike brand new Reply with quote

Good Evening,

If a dealer is selling a bike brand new for £3645 is that the price you have to pay or can you knock them down a bit? What are your experiences with doing this?!
Thanks in advance Smile
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iCraig
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haggle, they can only stay firm with the price, some will knock abit off, give you a bit more for your PX or throw some kit in for the price etc!
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PostPosted: 18:21 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Re: Buying a bike brand new Reply with quote

Sorry, not answering your question....
but.... Don't do it!
Unless you are very rich, there aren't many good reasons for buying a brand new 3645 bike, unless it's a very good deal.

Yes, you should be able to haggle, but it depends how good a deal it is in the first place. Ie if it's last year's model that they've already nocked £1k off, you aint got so much chance, while if tha's the RRP, I would at least get some other kit thrown in.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally they will haggle the price down with you, or not necessary the price but will be willing to sell you other stuff (kit or accessories at a lower price) or throw in some servicing for the bike for free, and you might as well try haggle them down, as you've got nothing to loose by asking them. Thumbs Up

And as G says, there is no real reason for buying a bike new, as the minute you leave the showroom with it you've just lost at least £500 off the value of it, so not worth doing.

You'll be able to get much better value for money buying second hand bikes, as you don't loose £500+ off their value within seconds like you will do if you buy new.
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PostPosted: 18:36 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just bought a new bike, an rs50 tuono.

i felt the need to buy one new because the thrashing most rs50's have suffered and there famous 'cold sieze' 'character feature'.

all the ones i had looked at were shagged, even £1500 ones. At that price with insurance i was looking at £2000 all in with insurance at least.

so i went to the local dealer, tried to haggle with cash (take a wad if you can - dealers love the sight of it.) and came out with a brand new rs50 tuono with insurance and a datatag for £2600 and a hell of alot of piece of mind with dealer warenty etc...

(i know aprillia are being bought out at the moment, those questions were asked)

so the long and sort of it is - if you do feel the need for a new bike and they wont budge on price (big bikes they will because there is a lot of mark-up on them whereas they make very little on small bikes) try to wring a deal on insurance or security out of them.

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PostPosted: 18:36 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

But...

You do get a warranty, which means if it goes wrong, you won't have extortionate bills to pay for repairs.

You do get piece of mind that no one else has thrashed the life out of it before you, so you know its history from the word go.

You do sometimes find that if you have problems dealers will be helpful in sorting them out, private buyers won't want to know after they've got your cash. (But that's just common sense for sellers Laughing Wink )

I'd say it all in finding the right dealer in the first place, some will haggle, some won't. My local Yamaha dealer wouldn't even consider knocking the price down for me, as he reckoned he could shift bikes without needing to do that. So I found a dealer (albeit 90 miles away) that gave me the same bike for almost a grand less. Thumbs Up

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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dealers are not bothered by you sticking a wodge of cash under their noses. They're not going to sell it for anything other than money, so the format of the money isn't really an issue. Just like selling second hand, you're not going to get to go home on my bike until you've given me money, I don't care what format the money is in. money is money no two ways about it.

Yes you do get warrenty, but they'll argue lots and lots about paying out for something big.

Out of interest, did you really go to your local Honda dealer to buy an RS50? Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You do get a warranty, which means if it goes wrong, you won't have extortionate bills to pay for repairs.

If they accept the blame for what has gone wrong, if they don't you have more hassle. Also you have to have servicing done by authorised places, some of which the quality is often very suspicous.

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You do get piece of mind that no one else has thrashed the life out of it before you, so you know its history from the word go.

Apart from the mechanic that took it for the initial ride after assembly, the first time the engine has been run.
Quote from a car delivery driver "I didn't know you had to run them in".

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You do sometimes find that if you have problems dealers will be helpful in sorting them out, private buyers won't want to know after they've got your cash. (But that's just common sense for sellers Laughing Wink )

You also sometimes find dealers won't care if you have a problem because they have your money and you probably aren't worth the hassle when they can sell to other people instead Smile.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Out of interest, did you really go to your local Honda dealer to buy an RS50?


Question eh Question

true usually dealers don't care about the format, mine must have been a greedy beggar then.

But if you have the cash it show your serious in my opinion and if they think you are interested in the bike, especially one they sell low volume of which is kicking around in the corner of the showroom and they want to get rid - you seeming serious is a bonus for them.

of course the way we buy stuff is a personal preference as if how a certain dealer will go about selling you a wagon - so no hard and fast rules can be set - do your research on the bike you want and see if the dealer bluffs you, if he does pull him up on it and do wot ever you do from there as heel be on the 'back foot'

on second thoughts go in, buy bike, walk out... lets not over complicate it Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

aRe_eSs wrote:
i felt the need to buy one new because the thrashing most rs50's have suffered and there famous 'cold sieze' 'character feature'.


Not heard of the 50 suffering from cold seizures. That really only applies to the 125.

aRe_eSs wrote:
so i went to the local dealer, tried to haggle with cash (take a wad if you can - dealers love the sight of it.)


Not really, they hate cash. They get charged quite a bit for banking it, they don't like having large amounts floating round just in case they get robbed and selling it for cash means they cannot sell you credit which they would get a large kick back for.

All the best

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aRe_eSs
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not heard of the 50 suffering from cold seizures. That really only applies to the 125.


phew thats a relief! still going to be careful just incase.

no chance with selling me credit - if i can't afford it without credit, i'm not having it.
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PostPosted: 21:59 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Dealers are not bothered by you sticking a wodge of cash under their noses. They're not going to sell it for anything other than money, so the format of the money isn't really an issue.


I would disagree, especially with smaller dealers who own their own company. You see, what they do is defraud the inland revenue by putting the bike through the books at a much lower price than you paid them for and use the balance as tax-free income, saves them 20% in income tax so they will pass on some of this saving. It is more the case if you are getting a second hand one though where a discount of 17.5% off the asking price is not unusual (funny, that is exactly the same as the rate of VAT, what a coincidence;) )
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
It is more the case if you are getting a second hand one though where a discount of 17.5% off the asking price is not unusual (funny, that is exactly the same as the rate of VAT, what a coincidence;) )


Except the VAT due is 17.5% of the difference between the dealers buying price and selling price.

All the best

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PostPosted: 01:24 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

In answer to your query, it really all depends on the dealership, the popularity of the bike, the season, etc....but generally, yes, the dealer will be open for some haggling...but unfortunately for me, I hate haggling, as I always feel embaressed Embarassed

But as for the concensus about buying new - I won't discourage it as such, because it's something that you do or you don't, but I only bought new last time because I needed the finance deal.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

TiN wrote:
but unfortunately for me, I hate haggling, as I always feel embaressed Embarassed


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PostPosted: 02:00 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I suppose if it's something you want and you can afford it, why not? I'd prefer to be able to as you know exactly what you're buying and all that. Thumbs Up
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