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PostPosted: 01:11 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Power to Weight Ratio on a restricted licence?!?! Reply with quote

Okay, so it seems that having a bike that is 33bhp, 0.16kw/kg and is fun does not come as a package in the motocross/enduro/supermoto typed bikes.

So then I think around 33bhp bikes? Wr250, perfect. Wait, thats far too light. DRZ400? Well it turns out that that is too light aswell. Apparently it is 0.2144 bhp per kilo. The DRZ is about 0.25!

So other than getting am sv650 or similar and restricting it, what am I supposed to do?

Or can I play the 'sorry officer thought it had to be 33bhp' card if I get caught? Its not gonna be exactly 33 with a decent exhaust but they allow you 36 I have been told? (false info?)

But the likelyhood that I will get pulled on a wr or a drz is high(er) I would guess.

If I can play the '33bhp card' then I would rather go with the wr250 option.

What are the consequences if it satisfies (just) the 33bhp limit but not the power to weight ratio?

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PostPosted: 02:02 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: Power to Weight Ratio on a restricted licence?!?! Reply with quote

WR250R/X? A slow-assed bit-revvy trail engine in a too heavy chassis? Whatever floats your boat Wink.

Ok, you're limited to slow bikes, but I certainly wouldn't pay loads of money for the privilege.

Anyway, I doubt it does actually get near 33hp at the rear wheel, so you're probably ok (think I read 26hp on a dyno in the US?)

DRZ is more so, but real world weight with some fuel in isn't too far off either.

I have never heard of that particular bit being enacted to do someone, though I would worry more about getting a 'proper' supermoto or enduro - ie a competition based one.
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PostPosted: 02:20 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I know, nobody takes any notice of the weight ratio, just the power. and thats only IF you get pulled, IF you get asked, IF they demand to test it and IF they can be arsed. I wouldn't worry mate, 33bph and you're already wearing too many halo's to fit your lid over
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PostPosted: 02:32 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

none of the police around here know the law themselves. I was restricted for about a month before getting bored.
i was also pulled a fair few times in that period
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming you've typed the units correctly:

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Apparently it is 0.2144 bhp per kilo.


0.2144 bhp/kg works out to 0.1599 kW/kg so falls under the maximum limit.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capt Castle wrote:
Assuming you've typed the units correctly:

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Apparently it is 0.2144 bhp per kilo.


0.2144 bhp/kg works out to 0.1599 kW/kg so falls under the maximum limit.


Yeah thats right. But I measured the DRZ as 0.25 (ish) bhp/kg so its over Confused

And thanks guys, think Ill get a wr and stick some mirrors on so I can see the rozzers and set down my 4-mile long wheelie Laughing

On a more serious note, can I just whack supermoto tyres onto the original rims. Yes, I know your supposed to have smaller wheels and bigger brakes but if its got sm tyres doesn't really bother me; I think Confused

And for Sm tyres, would you use just normal road tyres?
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah thats right. But I measured the DRZ as 0.25 (ish) bhp/kg so its over


Oh I see, I misread your post, sorry. Not sure why I was up so early on a Sunday!
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, its fine.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a Honda Hornet 250! They're great fun and I might be selling my soon.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its 12 months away yet Embarassed

And was more after a enduro/supermoto but who knows...?
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 21 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I can tell, the "36bhp" figure comes from this thread at the sv650 forum but it's not clear whether that's the figure used by one police force, all forces, or the CPS.

There's nothing in the statute or case law that I know of that indicates whether it's 25kW at the crankshaft or the rear wheel, but to be safe, assume it's the crankshaft (so you should have significantly less at the rear wheel). Since calculating crankshaft power is voodoo science, that's probably where the 10% margin comes in.

Likewise, "weight" isn't specified. However, it would presumably be the weight of the bike as it was when you were stopped, i.e. wet weight with any luggage.

I think the chances of you falling foul of the power-to-weight test are vanishingly small. However, if you're worried, you could restrict a WR250 slightly. Either rig up a throttle stop or find a washer that fits inside the air intake, then drill out most of it. Get it dyno'd for peace of mind.
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