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robbieguy2003
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: So today I did.... Reply with quote

Get pulled over by plod in the car, i'm popping this in general bike chat because this prob applies anyway.

Pulled out of GFs work which is on a country lane, I thought it was a 40 limit, happens to be a 30 (my mistake).

Went down the road, got lasered and the guy jumped out from behind a bush with high vis jacket.

I pulled into a little layby to get told I was doing 39mph and it was a 30mph zone, my first thought was bollocks, that'll be 3 points.

So, I get out of the car, officer is nice to me and says you're right on the limit of me doing you here, so i'll make a note of it and if we catch you again you'll be in trouble.

I think fair enough, no kittens got injured, we're all good.

So, he only put this note down in a paper notebook, my question is, what are the chances of;

1) he will upload this into a computer system
2) other plods will have access to this system to read the information

He took down my driving license number and reg plate, but never at any time ran any computer checks, if another plod done the same thing later down the line, then obviously he wouldn't see a record put down by this guy as he wouldn't look?

Obviously if you cant be good, you shouldnt get caught, but i'm only human and occasionally fuck up.

While I await the collective wisdom that is BCF, feel free to entertain us by posting a 'Cool Story Bro' or Nobcat pic...
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He probably meant that if he and his little money extorting team of hairdryers saw you again he'd do you.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solo copper? Did he show you the reading? If not, then it's his word against yours.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donny - very true!

Roger - Yep, solo copper with a Focus Estate, all traffic round here have a BMW or Merc Estate.

As soon as he went down the not doing a ticket i thought ok this isnt too bad, but did think it was a bit odd, normally those stops have more people there.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably just some village bobby responding to the community complaining about speeders. Some forces send a letter out to drivers who get a warning but it's highly unlikely you could access this on the roadside.

Only needs one cop and his cooberating evidence ie the speed gun. I wouldn't fancy a you didn't show me argument in court!

Just count your blessing it was a copper with discretion and not a 3 point £60 scamera Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:47 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't worry about. Just take it steady for a few weeks, then as you were.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their notebooks are for them, usually they won't log them officially as it's too much paperwork for something that he never charged you with.

I got pulled by an under cover CID last year, he saw me pop a wheelie infront of him. Anyway he pulls me over and is saying he's going to throw the book at me. Writes out a statement of what happened and got me to (stupidly) sign it.

He says I will receive letters for dangerous driving in the post and to expect a summons. Whole thing went on for about 20 minutes, then he goes to do a u-turn, pulls up next to me and says, "You better hope I'm too busy to do the paper work".

That's the last I heard of it? Whether it flagged me in the station as someone to keep an eye on, I don't know.

I also had a similar thing happen a few years before when I was riding an RS125, got pulled by a bike copper out of nowhere. I hadn't been speeding or breaking any laws, he just pulled me. Anyway, he says that I was riding in an "anti social mannor". I asked him to explain and he said, "You know what I mean". I really didn't and he starts writing something in his note book. I asked what he was doing and he replied, "I'm putting a black mark against you, if you do anything in the next 2 years, this will come back on you".

I argued that he was being unfair, as I hadn't done anything wrong, then it comes out that he reckons he has seen me several times hooning about around where I live whilst off duty. What kind of bullshit is that, pulling me over for a made up offence and writing that in his note book?

Again, nothing ever came of that.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's noted the details in his pocket book, that's generally as far as it will go. But he will probably be at the same place doing speed checks again. If he catches you above the limit again he'll probably stick you on for it.

Put it this way, he did you a favour not doing you for 39mph in a 30mph. Most officers doing speed checks will prosecute anyone over 35mph. Your lucky day! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

He may have called up and got admin to put it on the system. But who knows.
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PostPosted: 19:18 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:21 - 23 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Solo copper? Did he show you the reading? If not, then it's his word against yours.



Who do you think the magistrates will believe?


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PostPosted: 01:33 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pocket book entry is just for his records. Most fuzz tend to keep track of vehicles/people they've stopped in case anything comes of it at a later date.
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PostPosted: 06:34 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking to copper last Sunday, he said the rule of thumb usually is up to 10mph over limit and they will let you off.
If you were given no paperwork then you have just been given a warning.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recoil wrote:
I also had a similar thing happen a few years before when I was riding an RS125, got pulled by a bike copper out of nowhere. I hadn't been speeding or breaking any laws, he just pulled me. Anyway, he says that I was riding in an "anti social mannor"


Police Reform Act 2002, Section 59, Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance.

The logic is a bit of a mouthful, but it boils own to this: there's no requirement for you to receive any written notification that you've been warned. If you're nabbed again within 12 months, your bike can be seized on the spot and "disposed of".

It's an awful, awful law, wide open to abuse by pissed off coppers having a bad day or low on their sanctioned detections quota. There's no way to contest the initial warning, since it's not prosecuted. Worst, the copper only has to have "reasonable grounds" for believing that you've been warned in the past 12 months, for him to seize your bike on the spot.

Once they have it, good luck getting it back, because the evidentiary standard is appallingly low - "likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public". How do you argue against an offence that doesn't require a victim or a complaint, just the arresting officer's opinion?


dodgydog wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Solo copper? Did he show you the reading? If not, then it's his word against yours.


Who do you think the magistrates will believe?


Him, but if you contest it[*] the CPS would first have to decide to prosecute. A robust denial and an insistence on being provided with the evidence against you - including precise times and road positions, training records for the arresting officer, and calibration records for the instruments - can make it look like it's not worth their while if there's only a solo non-traffic plod as a witness.

[*] Never, ever admit to anything, give or sign any statement or accept a caution, even if you're caught doing a wheelie through the House of Lords. If you really believe that it's a fair cop, you can plead guilty in the courtroom, if it ever gets there, all the witnesses turn up, and the CPS's dog doesn't eat their homework.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where was it? I think I got caught on Saturday by a guy with a gun but I'm not 100%. No one jumped out at me though! Kinda waiting for a ticket through the door....How long do they have to send one?
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

maria383 wrote:
Where was it? I think I got caught on Saturday by a guy with a gun but I'm not 100%. No one jumped out at me though! Kinda waiting for a ticket through the door....How long do they have to send one?


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PostPosted: 15:07 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happened in Sussex near Battle, he was sort of poking out of a bush in a layby on an arc bend so didnt see him until quite late.
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've told this one before but it's relevant.

Mate of mine got stopped for doing a wheelie on his way to work. Coppers gave him a sound bollocking, took all his details, then told him they have 14 days to decide if they want to take it any further and so he may or may not be geting an NIP through the post.

They stopped him again a week later. He protested his innocence and told them he'd been behaving himself. Their response was to say they knew this, they'd been watching him on the CCTV all week and were just letting him know they weren't taking the wheelie thing any further in a "But don't think I don't still have my eye on you Sonny-Jim!" kind of a way.

TL;DR Take it easy for the next couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: 15:38 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a thread on here not long ago, about a guy who, 'went over to a car with his high vis and note book and gave the 'insane' driver a pretend telling off'

Maybe it was him, and now he has invested in a laser pointer and has taken to hiding in the bushes....

Seriously 39 in a 30 is pretty generous...I'd call that pretty lucky fella.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vman wrote:

Seriously 39 in a 30 is pretty generous...I'd call that pretty lucky fella.


Then they should put me in jail Confused
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Vman wrote:

Seriously 39 in a 30 is pretty generous...I'd call that pretty lucky fella.


Then they should put me in jail Confused


Got 3 points and 60 quid fine for 35 in a 30, that where I'm coming from.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 24 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Officer will just be making a note of you for his personal record, say if you continue speeding and he see's you a few times, he's got all the occassions on file and more evidence incase he wants to take any action. 9 times out of 10 in this instance he won't be passing the info on to other officers. You would need to be doing it constantly for him to pass it on.

The best peice of advice I can give you is don't be an arse. Don't argue/sulk/whinge, apologise, explain you didn't know the limit and it won't happen again etc.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe it was him, and now he has invested in a laser pointer and has taken to hiding in the bushes....

Seriously 39 in a 30 is pretty generous...I'd call that pretty lucky fella.


I rememeber that thread Laughing Maybe he's gone extreme, he even had a police car - or maybe he just stands next to parked police cars!

Yep, I was lucky, when he said the speed I thought 'Get the lube, its coming'.

I've been very lucky when I've been pulled for speeding, I think not being a cunt to them does help somewhat.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbieguy2003 wrote:
I rememeber that thread Laughing Maybe he's gone extreme, he even had a police car - or maybe he just stands next to parked police cars!

Yep, I was lucky, when he said the speed I thought 'Get the lube, its coming'.

I've been very lucky when I've been pulled for speeding, I think not being a cunt to them does help somewhat.


Definately cos else they get all "Im a police officer, Ill be a dick because I have more power than you".
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