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PostPosted: 14:15 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The banks, they are not owned by the government, they lend the government i.e the country money, at a healthy interest rate.

I'm sure the likes of Itchy will be along to give a diatribe on the matter, but thats the jist of it.

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PostPosted: 14:22 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have thought about this before, and I have a theory ...


If a country is low on money, why dont they just make more of it ?
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
I have thought about this before, and I have a theory ...


If a country is low on money, why dont they just make more of it ?


Increasing the amount of money in circulation devalues that money.

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PostPosted: 14:34 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
I have thought about this before, and I have a theory ...


If a country is low on money, why dont they just make more of it ?


because you need to (or at least should) have the gold in the mint to back up your 'promise to pay' (as that is all money is, a glorified IOU)

the reason the pound got so strong against the dollar originally is they decided to print more money and all it did was devalue it.



there's a story that i think sums up the situation nicely.

a man walks into a hotel and asks to look at a room. he leaves a £10 note on the table as a deposit and goes to look at the room. the hotel owner takes the £10 and goes to the butcher and pays him the £10 he owed him from his last delivery. the butcher then takes the £10 and finds the prostitute he was with last night and pays her the £10 he owed her. she then goes to the hotel and gives the hotel owner £10 as payment for use of the room last night. the hotel owner then places the £10 back on the table.

the man comes down, decides he didnt want to stay, picks up his £10 note and walks out.

no money has been gained or lost yet everyone's debts are settled and everyones happy.


no money in the world is gained or lost, its all owed to eachother, now if only the world leaders could do the same and sort it all out Wink
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there's a story that i think sums up the situation nicely.

a man walks into a hotel and asks to look at a room. he leaves a £10 note on the table as a deposit and goes to look at the room. the hotel owner takes the £10 and goes to the butcher and pays him the £10 he owed him from his last delivery. the butcher then takes the £10 and finds the prostitute he was with last night and pays her the £10 he owed her. she then goes to the hotel and gives the hotel owner £10 as payment for use of the room last night. the hotel owner then places the £10 back on the table.

the man comes down, decides he didnt want to stay, picks up his £10 note and walks out.

no money has been gained or lost yet everyone's debts are settled and everyones happy.


no money in the world is gained or lost, its all owed to eachother, now if only the world leaders could do the same and sort it all out Wink


Erm... the hotel owner lost his £10 from the prostitute when the guy walked out with it.

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PostPosted: 15:02 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
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there's a story that i think sums up the situation nicely.

a man walks into a hotel and asks to look at a room. he leaves a £10 note on the table as a deposit and goes to look at the room. the hotel owner takes the £10 and goes to the butcher and pays him the £10 he owed him from his last delivery. the butcher then takes the £10 and finds the prostitute he was with last night and pays her the £10 he owed her. she then goes to the hotel and gives the hotel owner £10 as payment for use of the room last night. the hotel owner then places the £10 back on the table.

the man comes down, decides he didnt want to stay, picks up his £10 note and walks out.

no money has been gained or lost yet everyone's debts are settled and everyones happy.


no money in the world is gained or lost, its all owed to eachother, now if only the world leaders could do the same and sort it all out Wink


Erm... the hotel owner lost his £10 from the prostitute when the guy walked out with it.

Mark


He paid the butcher off with it
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

The money (interest) owed by countries isn't exactly real, it's an abstract based upon future labour and the resources dug up and turned into stuff by that labour. Theoretically the labour of billions decades, if not centuries into the future, is already owned.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go and do a search on youtube for:

Money as Debt

The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America

Secrets of Oz (An updated version of Money Masters, a bit shorter)

Basically, the Bank of England, Federal Reserve and other central banks around the world are owned by private financiers, not the country itself. They borrow the country money and gain interest on the loans. They also gain interest on the ANY money in circulation because the governments let the banks issue the countries currency, theoretically to ensure financial stability and avoid crises like we are currently in.

Also the financial boom was a series of bubbles all based on debt - The Internet bubble, the Housing Bubble all based on bullshit, the theory of ever increasing prices in the belief they wont go down. Bubbles burst and now you can see that the Emperor has no clothes.

The Banks and dealers also made a killing on packaging that debt and trading on its future value, called derivatives. They made a huge amount fiddling the numbers, and the derivatives bubble is measured in trillions. The real scam is that the likes of Goldman Sachs got the government (really the people, who'll get nailed in extra taxation to pay for it) to bail them out of the derivatives hole they were in and pay for all these toxic assets they held.

They really need a war, not a piddley one in Afghanistan, a huge world conflict, where millions die and mass death and destruction occurs. With all the spiffy weapons systems they've got it might suit the depopulation agenda a tad, wipe out a billion or two at least.


TLDR - International Financiers, including the Rothschilds as a major player
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds like a small amount of people ransoming the world ... it's all a crock of currupt backdoor nazis and i want to understand it more ... Twisted Evil Evil or Very Mad


It's very simple. The world is run by a tiny minority of sub-human scum who regard everyone else as mindless slaves to be used and exploited so the few can have the biggest and bestest and mostest of everything.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenychris wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Erm... the hotel owner lost his £10 from the prostitute when the guy walked out with it.

Mark


He paid the butcher off with it


exactly. he received £10 from the prozzie, and paid the butcher £10.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUBAR wrote:
Sounds like a small amount of people ransoming the world ... it's all a crock of currupt backdoor nazis and i want to understand it more ...


Its a subject that you can research endlessly.

Oh, and before you get to the banks, America are mostly in debt to China.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:23 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazz wrote:
I have thought about this before, and I have a theory ...


If a country is low on money, why dont they just make more of it ?


Look at it like this, the pound is very strong as a currency, so lets say a loaf of bread in the UK costs £1.20.

Now lets got to Zimbabwe where the Zimbabwean Dollar isn't very strong because they printed so much money, so your £1.20 loaf of bread in Zimbabwe will cost you $684.39 ZWD





The problem the UK has is that Labour got in and once again ruined the countries finances.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 25 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greenychris wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:


Erm... the hotel owner lost his £10 from the prostitute when the guy walked out with it.

Mark


He paid the butcher off with it


So he did Embarassed
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could go on about this all day. And probably get attacked for it*

Follow the money and all is revealled.

Suffice to say the answer is The central Bank.

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PostPosted: 01:12 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and when i go green again, i will av um !!! Karma

You ain't ever gonna go green again, baby. Not unless you, once again, fraudulently resurface as a nice guy and, once again, do loads more bum licking.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a programme a few weeks ago on our country's money and shit.

If you make a pile of £50 notes on top of each other, it would be 6500 MILES high. That's how much debt we are in, going up everyday because of interest.

Thats quite a fucking lot... Imagine 10ft of £20 notes!

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