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PostPosted: 16:34 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: More Chinese rubbish Reply with quote

I bought a brand new Superbyke RMR 125 2 years ago and it ready for the scrapheap even though I've serviced it and procared every inch. The tales of woe started 2 weeks after delivery when the bolts securing the rear sprocket sheared! Next was the starter solenoid, next was the mudguard bush, next was the mud guard, Next was the rear light cluster. The cylinder head metal is so soft that it is virtually impossible not to cross thread the spark plug when replacing and now the silencer has corroded and needs replacing, however, Superbyke don't have any in stock until the new year and the only other supplier ordered in a bunch of silencers the were 20 inches long rather than 21 inches that the superbyke requires. If I had of gone for a 2nd hand jap bike for a little more I wouldn't have had half the trouble. So my advice to anyone thinking of buying chinese rubbish........don't bother.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Korn should put a huge banner at the top of the site saying DO NOT BUY CHINESE BIKES as a general rule.
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PostPosted: 23:15 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch, bad luck. I can't remember ever reading anything good about any Chinese-branded SuperEnduroMotardCrosser stylee bike, and I suspect that's because they're mostly sold to export markets so they really don't give a stuff about quality or reputation. I'd agree: avoid.
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 26 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Ouch, bad luck. I can't remember ever reading anything good about any Chinese-branded SuperEnduroMotardCrosser stylee bike, and I suspect that's because they're mostly sold to export markets so they really don't give a stuff about quality or reputation. I'd agree: avoid.



Erm the opposite actually. These bikes are made for the internal and south east asian market and thus can be bought by people on modest wages in Asia. 4000RMB buys you a bike (thats £390 to you). Some clever so and so, goes out to Asia sees that they can be bought for £390, fills a container with them and prices it at £1200 exploiting the I want it cheap mentality. People buy them and are invariably disappointed.

The importer laughs in your face and pockets the nigh on £800 profit from each sale.

You can find excellent engineering in China if you want to pay for it. Unfortunately a lot of companies who migrate to China don't want to pay for it which is why you get a lot of trash coming out of China.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm specifically talking about the offroad-styled bikes - and while we're at it, the psuedo-sportsbikes - not the commuters. I've been led to believe that most of the non-commuter styled bikes end up in shipping crates, so the only pressure on the manufacturers is to cut prices, not increase quality and brand loyalty.

If you've got any specific information about the Chinese market, I'd love to hear it - most of what we know over here is hearsay.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They all have hairy minges too!
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

If you've got any specific information about the Chinese market, I'd love to hear it - most of what we know over here is hearsay.

Unfortunately I can't find the source from a bit of searching/googling, but I was reading some interesting posts from a Chinese person in China a few years ago on Advrider.
He was confirming that we get the GOOD stuff and that in fact the government doesn't allow the stuff they consider to be too low quality to go out, so as to not get China too bad a reputation.
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 27 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems plausible. I've heard that there are (about) 4 big State bike manufacturers and 4 commercial ones. The State ones are cheaper, but not held in much regard. The commercial ones are the outfits that Japanese manufacturers outsource to. Whether you believe that bikes come off the same production line and get either Lifan or Yamaha VINs slapped on them alternately is very much a matter of faith. Smile

It's hard to keep track of it all, as the branding for export markets changes at the drop of a hat. I'd give a cautious thumbs up to Dihao bikes, but over here, exactly the same Dihao bike is sold as the Lexmoto Vixen, Haotian HT125-8, Superbyke RCC125 and Huoniao HN125-8. There are almost identical looking bikes available that aren't Dihaos though, but really, how would you know what you're buying? It's not like importers bother to market based on the actual manufacturer, or on quality, they just compete on lowest price for bikes with the same paper specifications.

That's why it's so hard to recommend Chinese-branded bikes - you just don't know if the next shipping container off the boat is even going to contain the same bikes that you're recommending.
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