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PostPosted: 19:13 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Thinking about a VFR 400, good? Bad? Reply with quote

I'm living in London, the CB 500 has been serving me well and is pretty good on fuel economy but I keep her on the street.

I've been thinking for a while of getting something with a little more punch in the next few months, and I've always had my eyes on the VFR 400 NC 30.

I'm still restricted, is the VFR 400 easy to restrict? I keep my bike on the street as well, could I possibly run two bikes in London while keeping them on the street? Good? Bad idea?

Anyone else recommend or not recommend the VFR 400? Will it outstart my CB 500? Would it be wise to replace my CB 500 with it?
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Re: Thinking about a VFR 400, good? Bad? Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:
I've been thinking for a while of getting something with a little more punch in the next few months


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I'm still restricted, is the VFR 400 easy to restrict?


whats the point?
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

33hp... so nothing much different.

Totally different engines, IL4 vs Parallel Twin.

I wouldnt keep it on the street, i'd like it safe and sound under a duvet in the winter Laughing

If I could have kept my GS500 i would, comfy, especially for any form of distance riding!
My honest opinion is if you want more punch, go to a 600 rather than a 400, im not sure if this is just word of mouth, but 400s tend to be ragged.. i think its the VFR that eats some of its internals? (correct me if im wrong)

For what its worth, ive only ever ridden 1 400, CB400SF and it was nice, revvy and had poke... but it wasnt as fun as the Daytona I bought.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to get a VFR 400 nc30 but was put off by a few people saying most have been thrashed trying to keep up with the 600's and parts are a lot for it. Nice bike though. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was going to get a VFR 400 nc30 but was put off by a few people saying most have been thrashed trying to keep up with the 600's and parts are a lot for it. Nice bike though. Thumbs Up


dont be put off by that, in a straight line yeah they are gunna run out of puff before the 600's but in the corners they will thrash them.

i should know, i own one and everyone i ride with has either a 600 or bigger and i keep up no problem.
they are a lovely bike , the handling is so nuetral and forgiving, you dont feel like your on the edge even when your cranked right over. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was going to get a VFR 400 nc30 but was put off by a few people saying most have been thrashed trying to keep up with the 600's and parts are a lot for it. Nice bike though. Thumbs Up


What 600 do you ride?

I like the classic frame of the NC 30.

Would love its bigger brother the RC 30 Honda VFR750R near exact looks, but the price is horrendously expensive and not designed with a pillion in mind.

Not heard a lot about it but the CBR 400 has similar styling to the VFR 400, anyone able to tell me a little more about these bikes?
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChowderV4 wrote:

dont be put off by that, in a straight line yeah they are gunna run out of puff before the 600's but in the corners they will thrash them.

i should know, i own one and everyone i ride with has either a 600 or bigger and i keep up no problem.
they are a lovely bike , the handling is so nuetral and forgiving, you dont feel like your on the edge even when your cranked right over. Laughing


What makes you think the 400 would be any faster than the 600s in the corners, all riders being equal?

The 600s are lighter, better balanced and offer much improved suspension
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give you the advice I give to anyone interested in a VFR; Don't unless you have a particular fetish for tiny sportsbikes.

The CB500 is better for town riding. Its more practical and it is a better size. Its more comfortable.

The NC30 is tiny, uncomfortable, difficult to work on, hard to find parts for. The absolute newest ones are still 15 years old. The power is linear, but you need to rev it to get the best from it. The CB500 will be punchier low down where you want it to be in town, and it'll probably be better on fuel.

The only modern equivalent in terms of power and weight would be a Suzuki SV650. You can pick them up for peanuts and they won't be as shagged as an NC30 for the same money. Yes, when new the NC30 would have had better suspension than the SV, but over time they will have evened out. The SV is a bit lighter than an NC30, and has a little bit more power. Its larger, more comfortable, more practical, easier to work on, cheaper to service and easier to ride. It won't cripple your wrists or backside, and won't cramp up your legs.

Crucially though, its less likely to have been strapped down in a crate on a boat from Japan for a few months, and its also less likely to have been ragged by a 17 year old with no mechanical sympathy or ability. Not only that, if it was ragged by a 17 year old with no mechanical sympathy or ability, it is more likely to shrug it off, and if it is damaged it'll be cheaper to put right.

SV650 > CB500 > NC30.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although owning one, I do sort of agree with MarJay, because in the 3/4 months of owning mine its been off the road for around 2 of those months. Saying that the parts weren't too bad to get parts for, nor that expensive well I did pay around 40 quid for a set of spark plugs Neutral

Reason I bought one was that I loved the looks, just such a sexy bike Drooling And coming from a 125 to this, it is quick well quick enough for me Smile

Also did ride it back about 50 miles, thats the longest I have been on it too. It wasn't too bad TBH, still considering a double bubble for it for more wind protection.

If I were you I would other wise stick with the CB, or if you really cant wait I would go for an older CBR 600 as they are still comfortable and have plenty of go
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:18 - 29 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my Mates is sellin a VFR NC21 Pritty cheap need's a little bit of work pm me if u are intersted mate
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swifte wrote:


What 600 do you ride?



I ride a CBR 600 F. 10 years old. Got it with just over 14,000 Miles on the clock. First big bike for me coming from a 125.

Was so close to buying a VFR even had a deposit down on one. Had my mate go and check it out and had to walk away as it had gear issues. Also looked like the millage had been clocked back. Was only showing 8,000 on clock and did not look straight. Had no mot or service recored too.

If it's what you want and you find a good one get it, go with your hart. I'm happy with my CBR, loving it more now I've sorted out the few problems I had with it.

Good luck with your quest.
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChowderV4 wrote:

dont be put off by that, in a straight line yeah they are gunna run out of puff before the 600's but in the corners they will thrash them.


Laughing

A 600 will wipe the floor with a 400 now.

Are you honestly telling me that a heavier, older, smaller cc bike will be faster in the corners than an R6 for example and I'll be nice an say a '99 R6 to give you a sporting chance?
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the logic is more that they force you to learn to carry more corner speed since you haven't got the power to turn and burn like you can on a bigger bike. Mind you ground clearance seems to be a reoccuring gripe on these too, so even that might be difficult Smile
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Laughing

A 600 will wipe the floor with a 400 now.

Are you honestly telling me that a heavier, older, smaller cc bike will be faster in the corners than an R6 for example and I'll be nice an say a '99 R6 to give you a sporting chance?


But thats not really a fair comparison as the NC30 was released in 1989? and the R6 was not sold until 1998/99
To make it fair you'd need to compare it to a 89'CBR600 or FZR600 and I expect the NC30 would be quicker in the corners.

Against a more modern 600 a 400 wouldn't stand a chance, my FZR400RR is supposed to be a sports bike yet it doesn't even have any adjustment on the front suspension, even my Vespa has some front suspension adjustment Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

RD_bikees wrote:
One of my Mates is sellin a VFR NC21 Pritty cheap need's a little bit of work pm me if u are intersted mate


Thanks but it's the NC 30 I'm after, the later the year the better.

In terms of looks I know the VFR 400 is the one. Trouble is I've not tried many of these bikes at all.

Is there anywhere I can go for a day and try some various bikes out, its mainly classic early 90s Hondas I'm after.

My insurance covers me on any bike 3rd party so long as someone else has insurance on that bike.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:


But thats not really a fair comparison as the NC30 was released in 1989? and the R6 was not sold until 1998/99
To make it fair you'd need to compare it to a 89'CBR600 or FZR600 and I expect the NC30 would be quicker in the corners.

Against a more modern 600 a 400 wouldn't stand a chance, my FZR400RR is supposed to be a sports bike yet it doesn't even have any adjustment on the front suspension, even my Vespa has some front suspension adjustment Laughing


Ah but it is indeed a fair comparison because a tatty VFR will fetch £1500, and a reasonable R6 will also fetch £1500.

400s are VAAASTly over priced, for what they are. The R6 is a better bike for the money. Who cares about age, technology etc, when it comes down to it you buy the best you can get for the money, and in that case it'll be a GSXR600 SRAD or an early R6. Spunk £1500 on a 1989 VFR and you're a fool IMO, especially if it is anything less than mint.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably the only 400 i'd buy

https://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/bikes/CBR400_1990(1).jpg
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:
But thats not really a fair comparison as the NC30 was released in 1989? and the R6 was not sold until 1998/99
To make it fair you'd need to compare it to a 89'CBR600 or FZR600 and I expect the NC30 would be quicker in the corners.

Against a more modern 600 a 400 wouldn't stand a chance, my FZR400RR is supposed to be a sports bike yet it doesn't even have any adjustment on the front suspension, even my Vespa has some front suspension adjustment Laughing


That is kinda the point tho - given the fact the NC30 will cost as much as the R6.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al wrote:

But thats not really a fair comparison as the NC30 was released in 1989? and the R6 was not sold until 1998/99
To make it fair you'd need to compare it to a 89'CBR600 or FZR600 and I expect the NC30 would be quicker in the corners.

Against a more modern 600 a 400 wouldn't stand a chance, my FZR400RR is supposed to be a sports bike yet it doesn't even have any adjustment on the front suspension, even my Vespa has some front suspension adjustment Laughing


Too true, but as said you can get far more bike for the same money and the poster I quoted saying that 400s are faster than 600s through the bends is an outdated generalisation now. If you read the post I quoted you'll see that no mention is made of age at all.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

##Paddy## wrote:
Totally different engines, IL4 vs Parallel Twin.


VFR400 is neither of the above Confused
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenben92 wrote:
##Paddy## wrote:
Totally different engines, IL4 vs Parallel Twin.


VFR400 is neither of the above Confused


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PostPosted: 20:23 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Ah but it is indeed a fair comparison because a tatty VFR will fetch £1500, and a reasonable R6 will also fetch £1500.

400s are VAAASTly over priced, for what they are. The R6 is a better bike for the money. Who cares about age, technology etc, when it comes down to it you buy the best you can get for the money, and in that case it'll be a GSXR600 SRAD or an early R6. Spunk £1500 on a 1989 VFR and you're a fool IMO, especially if it is anything less than mint.


NC30's are VAAASTly over priced, the other 400's are a little but then its only demand that pushes prices up.
If it just comes down to getting the best for your money why do you ride a Buell and a RD350? You could replace both of them for something that would out preform them,be cheaper and more reliable.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 30 Nov 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh but if you are around 5'10 then you will love it Smile
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