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nsr_J22_FOXEYE
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: New wheel Bearing Reply with quote

So as some of you may know I am refurbishing my beautiful NSR J22 Foxeye (name drop Very Happy) ... To the point I am curious if it is worth me replacing my wheel bearing's ... there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with my old ones, but I do want her running in good order for spring as she was last year. I'm not sure when they were last replaced but I have done 5k miles since I bought her (17k on clock) ??? ideas and comments?
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they're OK leave them I reckon. Get the wheels off the ground and give them a good shake from side to side, any sideways play then change them.

But then again, it's a quick and reasonably cheap job so might as well for peace of mind.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just checked and they seem good.... but my reason for thinking is that 2011 is the year that my nsr breaks the 120mph mark, and im curious if this may help?
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nsr_J22_FOXEYE wrote:
Just checked and they seem good.... but my reason for thinking is that 2011 is the year that my nsr breaks the 120mph mark, and im curious if this may help?


If your planning on chucking it out of an aeroplane, I dont think that the wheel-bearings matter that much, paying attsnsion to those graphics you sticking on it, and reducing turbulance over the edges by smoothing them in with laquer will be a more effective way to increase terminal drop velocity.......

I mean there's no clifs in this country 'quite' high enough to get terminal drop velocity, so I reckon that an air-drop must be what you have in mind........
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this place.... but instead of this turning into a banter zone lets keep it nice Smile ... I think It is possible, 110 is reachable ... why not 120?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Following that logic, then why not 500mph?

What engine mods are you doing?
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive not set my goal off 500mph...yet Very Happy.

New exhaust system, new jets, new chain and sprocket and carbon reeds.

Next on my list is... 180cc piston kit after my full engine rebuild to make sure all is lubed up and in tip top condition and I am whipping out all unessential parts I.E bulbs battery ect and me losing another 1/2 stone (11.3 atm) .... last and not least and please do not judge Nitrous in 16oz

Im aware this is going to take alot of life out of my baby, but its been a point of talk at jasper's (Plymouth biker chill out area ) for a long time... a 125cc doing 120mph , as many teenager have said it but never took it seriously, mabey not a teenager but i see the light at the end of the tunnel ....
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nsr_J22_FOXEYE wrote:
I love this place.... but instead of this turning into a banter zone lets keep it nice Smile ... I think It is possible, 110 is reachable ... why not 120?


Because...it wont happen.

Shorten your engine life... yes it will, dramatically.
Nitrous... enjoy that, ive never seen a 2 stroke with nitrous, id love to though.

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PostPosted: 20:54 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

is that because you expect it not to end well?
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

nsr_J22_FOXEYE wrote:
Im aware this is going to take alot of life out of my baby, but its been a point of talk at jasper's (Plymouth biker chill out area ) for a long time... a 125cc doing 120mph , as many teenager have said it but never took it seriously, mabey not a teenager but i see the light at the end of the tunnel ....

Bore it 180, its not a 125, is it?
Think about it. What road-bikes get 120 per?
RD250 couldn't manage it. TZR250, just about reached it. Only the super-tuned race reps like the RGV, KR1 & RS250 actually broke it, and all of them had twice the number of pots and cubes, and 60ish bhp.
Takes over 45bhp to threaten two miles a minute, and to do it with that little power, you are looking at a lot of fundemental points of architecture to give you the edge, that are just not inherant in the NSR design.
125cc, near race spec motors in mito's etc = 30bhp & just under a genuine ton.
125 full race spec motr and fame, TZ GP bike, = 45bhp, and JUST enough with bog all weight and skinny rubber and tall gearing to top 120, with crank clife measured in minutes.
Super-Tuned NSR125.... ?
possible, not plasible, and even less likely.
Even with 180 BB and porting work, done bey a well practiced two-smoke builder, that sme two-stroke 'expert' would be struggling to crack the genuine ton. And it wouldn't be a ton up 125, anyway.... ,ight as well stick an R1 engine in the frame and claim it the fastest 125 on the road!
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

you win. but we can all have a dream....
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure kickstart knows of a 125 thats achieved over 120...
but the amount of cash thrown at that you could buy a much better bike Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 04 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put a small nitrous kit on my moped which was 2 stroke, 4 miles later it stopped and after a week of going back and forth to it, tinkering found out it had popped all the engine seals out.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree trying to get more out of the motor is waste of time.

Really the only way 120 can be done is with aerodynamics, tall gearing and a very long strait flat surface.

If you are trying to get more try this site:https://www.125ccsportsbikes.com/forums

PS. My RD250 did 101 in 1981 after 3 miles flat out with a speeding ticket to prove it from a very pissed off policeman in a Ford Granada. Ahh the good old days.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Yep, 120 will take about 45hp. And not a hope in hell of getting that from an NSR engine (big bore kits tend not to be that well ported for top end power, so don't expect any great gain from that). Even 110 is going to take 33hp or more with good aerodynamics, and that is going to need about 1/3 more power than a full power NSR can manage (and the NSR doesn't have good aerodynamics).

The weight you lose will make negligible difference to the top speed (weight makes a tiny difference to rolling resistance as its only affect on top speed, and rolling resistance is pretty irrelevant compared to wind resistance at any reasonable speed).

Also the more you tune an engine the narrower you tend to make the power band. You could theoretically land up with 45hp at (say) 11k to do 120mph, but 30hp at 10k so not enough to pull much past 100mph in top. the NSR gearbox ratios are too wide to get around this.

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PostPosted: 14:18 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an excercise in point proving it would be possible with real nitrous, i.e a £500 wet kit properly set up. Not these ridiculous scooter boy kits that use tiny co2 cartridges.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
As an excercise in point proving it would be possible with real nitrous, i.e a £500 wet kit properly set up. Not these ridiculous scooter boy kits that use tiny co2 cartridges.

I dont know..... agree that a wet-kit is more likely to be useful... but at the sort of density to make 45+bhp?
On a two-stroke?
I think it would take a bit more than a simple spray-bar or squirter on the reed-block, possibly direct injection into the head.
Primary compression on a 2t is low, but you still have it, and at that kind of density, there's probably a chance of getting detonating in the crank-case!
But I think the big worry is piston failure.
2T's dont like running 'weak'.
& Nitreos is a bugger to get 'set-up' in that respect, due to mixing effects.
2T's are exhaust sensitive. Highly tuned ones even more so.
45bhp's worth of exhaust gasses, will be about three times the volume the Normally aspirated NSR's motor would be expected to handle, and the 'harmonics' of the spanie, would probably be well screwed by the volume and velocity of a nitreouse charge.
Going nitrouse, I think it would be difficult to build a motor that ran acceptably enough 'normally-aspirated' to get to the point you could give it a shot of giggle gas.
On a gut level, my instinct would suggest that a more concervative motor, in a less highly tuned state to start with, would stand a better chance of being successfully nitro'd for a record attempt.
But even so, fragility of a 125 2T to begin with, it would be a pure record bike, with rebuilds between runs, I'd expect..... if it didn't blow up on the run!
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am genuinely enjoying the turn out of this thread, its very informative... But I do see the end result but where's alain?
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no doubt it would be highly impractical. As i said, only worth attempting if someone had a point to prove for high speed testing. Having used it plenty in the past i'm against it's use for road use as it's expensive, impractical and should only be used to make something that's already fast enough even faster. Not to make something slow into something fast.

Injection straight into the reed block would probably do it and as said, a much better exhaust would be needed for the massive increase in gas flow. 35bhp jets would probably do the job and give a real increase of 20bhp if dialed in correctly. Ignition could be retarded crudely but if i even thought about doing it i'd want an aftermarket cdi with switchable maps and possibly an EGT gauge and wideband lambda to keep an eye on the ticking bomb.
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

0ddball wrote:
Oh no doubt it would be highly impractical. As i said, only worth attempting if someone had a point to prove for high speed testing. Having used it plenty in the past i'm against it's use for road use as it's expensive, impractical and should only be used to make something that's already fast enough even faster. Not to make something slow into something fast.

Injection straight into the reed block would probably do it and as said, a much better exhaust would be needed for the massive increase in gas flow. 35bhp jets would probably do the job and give a real increase of 20bhp if dialed in correctly. Ignition could be retarded crudely but if i even thought about doing it i'd want an aftermarket cdi with switchable maps and possibly an EGT gauge and wideband lambda to keep an eye on the ticking bomb.


Get thee behind me satan!
You have my mind working deviousely now!
Some-one on show & tell suggested to Snowie apropriating my collection of 125 Super-Dreams, and building each up in a different genre of 'special', Her Pup, being a mini-Tourer, then one a street-scrabler, another a cafe-racer, and another as a hard-tail chop!

I conveniently have a frame thats been, err.... butchered.... in the back-suspension department..... Hmmmm... might make the basis of a little low-rider, that might........

Then, there's an engine thats in need of a total rebuild......

A four-stroke twin, that in standard fettle, revs readily off the scale at 13K........

Now, heads on these things are good enough to flow enough air for 25bhp or so. They use the same top on the 233cc CB 'Two-Fifty'.... promicing....

OK, so a ton-up, four-stroke 125.... how we going to do it?

I'm thinking forced induction... lots of it!

You reckon CHR15 could knock up a Turbo installation?

Maybe Nitreouse assisted to get it spinning on the deminutive expulsions of a pair of 62cc pots!

Lol!
https://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w269/teflons-torque/Little%20Dreams/Bike325.jpg
Who amn I kidding! I was jumping up and down like a kiddie at Christmas today, when after much blood sweat and tears, and faffing with carburettors, I got this little darling to crack the heady hights of a mile a minute!

And we need to be VERY quet when mentioning the laughing gas....

Snowie already wants just about every bolt-on accessory she sees, and constantly grumbles bikes aren't fast enough, so a bolt on accessory that makes the bike faster?!?

On a switch.......

She turns left when she's supposed to go right, into town when she's supposed to head to the next village, goes to ASDA when she wanted fsomething from Halfords, and tries indicating with the head-lamp switch......

Hmmmm......

"I'm terribly sorry Vicar, about the hole in the church-yard wall......You see, I meant to turn my heated grips down, becouse my hads were getting a bit hot, but accidentally pressed the Nitreouse button instead!"
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 05 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
And we need to be VERY quet when mentioning the laughing gas....

Snowie already wants just about every bolt-on accessory she sees, and constantly grumbles bikes aren't fast enough, so a bolt on accessory that makes the bike faster?!?

On a switch.......

She turns left when she's supposed to go right, into town when she's supposed to head to the next village, goes to ASDA when she wanted fsomething from Halfords, and tries indicating with the head-lamp switch......

Hmmmm......

"I'm terribly sorry Vicar, about the hole in the church-yard wall......You see, I meant to turn my heated grips down, becouse my hads were getting a bit hot, but accidentally pressed the Nitreouse button instead!"


Oi im not that bad i just took a different way getting to know the area you live in and the best way to do that is by getting lost....

To late ive seen i wants pretty please
plus my heated grips and bar ends is a must
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