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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: The official challenge to the X-Factor Reply with quote

John Cage 4.33
The record is almost silent, 4.33 was composed by Cage in 1952 and is his most famous piece of work. It is in fact in 3 movements of determined length and time and is scored for the musicians. When performed by solo piano the lid is closed signaling the start of the piece.
when we look at music it is not all about noise, silence plays a great part in our perception and in the playing, Miles Davies knew this and his not playing the trumpet is just as emotional as when he plays. Of course the silences in Miles music are not him not playing the trumpet but him playing the trumpet silently, this is how we should view 4.33.
To see it performed live can be funny but it can be very moving, as a nation our most sacred moments are the silences that unite us in the early weeks of November and just as during of silences for the war dead there is noise in Cages piece, at the Cenotaph people cough, birds sing and the wind blows. With a full orchestration of 4.33 we will hear the musicians breath, maybe a shoe shuffle but most of all we hear our own thoughts.
Think about Simon Cowell not being at number one.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cowell will be number one, he's pouring money into making sure of it. And with the dilution of the 'anti-Cowell' effort (hasn't everyone got a 'get this to number one' campaign going right now?)... pap will reign supreme.

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PostPosted: 20:47 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinda reminds me of "The Sound of Free Speech" on the original Small Wonder pressing of Feeding of the 5000 by Crass. The story goes that the pressing company were so offended by the lyrics of Reality Asylum they refused to press it, so the band substituted 2 minutes of silence at the start where it would have been.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing I was listening to John Cage just last night.
Water Walk.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about getting a song that deserved to be Number 1 as it is a brilliant peice of music but never did.

such as -

Gordon Lightfoot - If you could read my mind
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh shit, that's such a wonderful song.
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It makes me cry.

Well, almost all Gordon Lightfoot makes me cry Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Laughing I was listening to John Cage just last night.
Water Walk.
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Kinda reminds me of "The Sound of Free Speech" on the original Small Wonder pressing of Feeding of the 5000 by Crass. The story goes that the pressing company were so offended by the lyrics of Reality Asylum they refused to press it, so the band substituted 2 minutes of silence at the start where it would have been.


I have a recording of Sun-Ra performing over 12 minutes of silence. It is not very good.
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a recording of Sun-Ra performing over 12 minutes of silence. It is not very good.
//the remix was better.

Yep..whole lotta music between the notes.
(nice bit of writing BTW}
However Mr. Green I went to see This Band and was blown away when they used only strobes for 45mins.
With no Class As B/S..No booze. Just an ever changing cacophony to stobe.

Of course i'm deaf now.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThoughtControl wrote:
Kinda reminds me of "The Sound of Free Speech" on the original Small Wonder pressing of Feeding of the 5000 by Crass. The story goes that the pressing company were so offended by the lyrics of Reality Asylum they refused to press it, so the band substituted 2 minutes of silence at the start where it would have been.


I always thought i'd bought a shit pressing until i found out about it a few years ago.

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PostPosted: 22:19 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

dodsi wrote:
What about getting a song that deserved to be Number 1 as it is a brilliant peice of music but never did.

such as -

Gordon Lightfoot - If you could read my mind

Nice one Dodsi - been ages since I've heard that. Last time was probably on Trigger Happy TV.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

See also the johnny cash version! That's moving.
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 06 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2002, one of Mike Batt's manufactured bands, Planet, released a CD that featured a silent track. Batt foolishly credited the silent track to Batt/Cage and the joke cost him a small fortune:-

''Mike Batt created the eight piece classical crossover band, The Planets. Their album Classical Graffiti was released in February 2002 and went straight to number one on the UK classical music chart on the day of release and remained there for three months. Batt was sued for copyright infringement over the track "A One Minute Silence", which consisted of one minute of silence and was credited to 'Batt/Cage'. The publishers of John Cage's music alleged that the credit invoked Cage's silent piece 4′33″, and that the trust was entitled to receive royalties. An out of court settlement was reached, with Batt paying a six-figure sum to the John Cage Trust.''

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PostPosted: 13:17 - 18 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBC

rather good and features F Zappa
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