Swap my cbr125 for a Cagiva Mito 125?

[benandthe]

I've just been offered a friends cagiva mito 125 mk 2 in exchange for my cbr 125.
The mito is imacculate, only done 12,000 miles and is on a K plate, where my bike is now on 38,000 on a '05 plate, and had complete engine rebuild because the guy has too much money, new fairings, new tyres, just sailed through the mot last month, and has ten months tax left.

The bike is in much better condition than mine, plus if I sell it, I don't have the issue with idiots not supplying tyres...

Think I should swap my cbr for it?

[N cee thirty]

if its the one that looks like that ducati then yeh

be prepared to rebuild the engine,just for the sake of it
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[cb1rocket]

the mito will cost a fortune to put right when it goes wrong.

engine rebuilds are quite often on these too. plus fuel costs are much higher.
I'm surprised he wants to swap it for your cbr in the first place!

[MarJay]

I probably would, but then I love two strokes.

You have to realise that two strokes require a fair bit of maintenance, they need top end rebuilds every 10,000 miles ish and need to be run on quality two stroke oil. The two stroke oil is burned with the fuel, and so you'll use a litre of expensive oil every three or four tanks of fuel. If you're OK with this, and you want a little bit more go, I'd say the two bikes are probably around equal value, and so it would probably be worth a go.

Just bear in mind that your mate got the Mito rebuilt not because he has too much money, but probably because it needed it.
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[MarJay]

[benandthe]

Plus if I swap for the mito, I don't have the issue of the tyre...

Sod it, going to go swap my bike...!!!

Back later!

[benandthe]

And I'm aware about how much maintenance a 2 stroke/ mito requires, i've had 3 2-stroke bikes before and another friend has had a mito for 6 years and i've helped him in the past.

[G]

Consider the normal reasons someone wants to swap for a similar bike - theirs is knackered and they want one that works.

Apart from that, I'd prefer to have a Mito than a CBR any day, well apart maybe from snowy days, when the CBR's lower gearing and narrower tyres will probably be better in most situations.

[pits]

There is a difference between a 2 stroke bike and a Mito or an RS125, you need to treat it like a race bike with lights, and at 12k miles, it is about on schedule for engine failure/rebuild time, regardless of use.

The way I see this at the moment
You asked a "mate" to do a tyre for you, which didn't go to plan.
You now want to swap your reliable 4 stroke with a 12k mile 2stroke with someone you call a mate.

Why is your mate wanting the swap, I see no advantages of swapping from the Mito to a CBR, unless the Mito is going to cost a fortune for some work coming up, which is more than likely.

Think this through properly, the Mito and RS125s are not cheap bikes to run, correct oils are needed etc

[pinkyfloyd]

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[N cee thirty]

hmm seen mito's that old for under £500,hope its not just a straight swap
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[Relentless]

Depends on the condition of the Mito ... !!! ... i would get it checked out ...

Compression test
Plug chop for colour

If it has reasonable compression and a coffee colour plug chop then i would swap .. as cbr 125s are horrid ...

He may be swapping caus if he commutes then its 40 - 50 mpg with the mito
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[itsallgood]

If you can't afford to keep the cbr on the road, good luck with a mito.

You are swapping a reliable commuter for a road legal race bike. It'll be more fun but fun is rarely cheap

Is there outstanding finance on either bike?

Why does your mate want to swap? A mito is waaaaaay nicer than the cbr. Although the cbr is bound to be worth more £ so why not fix it and sell it?

If you do go ahead make sure you do a finance check on his bike and make sure you get the logbook too......

Oh and check the difference in insurance while you are at it
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[Imonster]

The only reason I'd be suspicious of the swap is that it seems too good to be true.

Though older, the Mito's only got a third of the mileage than your CBR and has just had a rebuild around the 10k mark, so should be good for loads more miles if you maintain it properly. It's a better looking bike, more fun, and has nearly a years t + t.

Either your mate's a little bit silly, or there's something that's seriously wrong with the bike that he hasn't disclosed. As I said in the other thread, if all is as he says it is then I'd do the swap in a heartbeat.
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[Teflon-Mike]

As others; Why the heck would some-one want to swap an exiting, genuinely sporty and quick Mito, for a dull, slow, uninspiring CBR?
I like the mito, I preffer the earlier round headlamp versions, and as a long standing full licence holder, one has a spot waiting in the fleet for it... becouse on a full licence, while I might be able to buy and ride a ZX6 or similar, I know that a lightweight, razor edge 125 is a bike I can actually go loonie on and not be so close to killing myself or my licence! I cant think of a more unsuitable machine for a learner.... but I can see the appeal.
And if a Mito appeals, then a CBR wont cut it.
Certainly not after riding a full-bore version like it was meant to be.
There would have to be some pretty bizzare reasons that such a move would be desirable.
Mito's small and cramped.... so old age and arthritus might make some-one give up on one.... but NOT for an even more cramped CBR!
Running costs, maintenence and reliability are difficult on a Mito. Esp if some-one tries using one like a CG125 for daily commuting, and crippling costs, and terminal unreliability MIGHT make such a swap beneficial.
Only other one is that a K-Plate mito is what '93/94? And book on one even top book would be around £800, where that's more likely lower book for your CBR. Ie: the CBR is a slightly more valuable and saleable bike, and more winter freindly.
Personally, If it was a round-lamp model, I'd be sorely tempted, IF the bike checked out, simply becouse I'd like one, as a Sunday-Scratcher, and I dont have to 'live' with the thing as a daily rider...
But all other ways round, looks to me like the deals pretty well loaded in your 'mates' favour, not yours.
and EVEN if it stacked up ecconomically, and even if it was a 'decent' bike, and not thrashed to death.....
There would STILL be a lot of inklings in the back of my mind making me wonder whether it would be a good swap, for you, given all year riding and commuting, and the sacrafices needed to live with a mito in that use, including the costs.
I mean, you are grumbling about a few days, riding the CBR with a tyre down to the legal limit.
First, why did you leave it SO long before looking for a repplacement? CBR tyres aren't exactly the most expensive, nor are they the shortest lived.
Doing commuter miles on a Mito, THAT is teh sort of thing you wil have to anticipate FAR more acutely, and have the tyre bought and paid for and waiting to be fitted, long before you reach minimum tread depth, and you'll be looking to do that three times as often.
Then being as cute over the other maintenence, like planning top end rebuilds, stripping and servicing forks and rear suspension etc, and keeping on top of it all, both mechanically and financially, so tha the bike can stay in service and get you where needed when wanted.
If you cant get it right with a CBR 'Numpty-Bike', then a demanding Mito, is going to seriousely piss you off!
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread, and seems to me, like you are leaping in, and for the sake of one mistake, not predicting the tyre change on teh CBR soon enough, trying to get it done quick and easy, 'on the cheap' by an unreliable mate, about to launch yourself into a whole new arena where quick, easy, and on the cheap will just frustrate you in tripple time!
Or do you reckon yo have learned from the CBR?
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[G]

On the flip side, there are plenty of reasons people might want to swap - maybe scare stories, maybe as a bike to a friend, etc.

[Teflon-Mike]

[kingsknight]

I know what you're having to think about it, I got offered a NSR with 7k on the clock for my XR with 23k on the clock and I said no.

4-strokes are much cheaper to keep on the road and if you look after a 4-stroke it could last a life time. Also I would really miss the 85-90mpg I get on my XR!

My old NSR burnt nearly as much engine oil as 2-stroke oil at one stage. I used a 900ml of engine oil in 300 miles lol..... shame I crashed her into a deer
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[G]

My previous two well used commuter bikes were a race zx9R (not just some tarty bits, I got it cheap because someone had put a dent in the frame while in 4th place in powerbikes). Front suspension I put way too stiff oil in when doing the fork seals; I softened up the rear ohlins to 'compensate'.
Was it an issue for commuting? Not really. Wasn't even a big problem for most riding around here either, where there's not great visibility to go fast around corners anyway.

The GSXR the only time I looked at the suspension setup was 3 clicks on all damping settings at a trackday, then left like that. Yet, to some degree I'd say having badly setup suspension can be just as bad or worse than suspension needing a service.

How many people, regularly and properly do ANYTHING more than 'cut onions' on a 125?

A bike with suspension that works well for your riding is nice, but not having it (especially considering the often different needs between commuting and fast paced twisty riding) doesn't mean you 'may as well not bother' to my mind.

[benandthe]

Ok everyone, the swap is done, DVLA called and all details swapped effictive as of the end of that phone call, insurance swapped over, SAME PRICE!!!

Now with my cbr there were many issues/reasons for getting rid: needed new brake pads front and rear, needs new clutch, needs new rear tyre, euses blow weekly, valve timing is out and there is a knocking sound AND there is a fair amount of cosmetic damage.

With the Mito, his main reason for selling was his mum, he is only 17, complaing it's too big/powerful for him and he needs to sell it!

With the bike it sailed through the last MOT, currently needs a new rear seat and the wiring for the rear light needs reconnecting as a wire was snapped when he was changing a bulb.

I've been over the bike thoroughly and took it to a reputable dealer and they said it's fine apart from the seat and rear lights.

I've run a hpi check, nothing. All clean.

Didn't think there would be finance on a 1993 bike.

All in all a great swap!

[0ddball]

You swapped the details by ringing the dvla? didn't know you could do that.

[N cee thirty]

get some pics up.

awaits ''omgzzzz wtf happened to my bike'' thread when you find out the real reason he swapped it
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[Imonster]

Any pics of the bike?
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