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EUMP
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Abit of a mess up on the road Reply with quote

Was riding into work this morning, came up to some heavy traffic that wasn't moving and a car to my right wanting to come out there was roughly 40ft in front of me to the jam up, so I was letting him come out but a 4x4 behind kept honking his horn aggressively then tried to overtake me and the car in front and couldn't go anywhere as the traffic jam (he could see from behind me) so he tried to take me off the road to get himself back in the white lines.

So instead of waiting behind a bad driver and stuck in a jam, I went to filter off and my bag must of got caught on his mirror taking it clean off as I went around him as I looked in the mirror, he seemed like a angry guy before that so instead of stopping and having fists thrown in my face I kept on my journey.

Now what do I do? As I don't want police round mine later in particular.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing First off, congratulations! and Good on ya! don't try and tell me you weren't in the slightest bit satisfied! hehe.

But as for the issue at hand. Do you think he had enough time to catch your plate? (remember most people will be too busy screaming and shouting to think of Number plates). However, you are perfectly in the right to go to the police within 24 hours of the incident, and state that you felt threatened, and you felt that the driver of the 4x4 would have used physical violence, and fearing for your safety you continued on. But here you are reporting the incident.

So if the driver then goes to the police, they'll have it on record that you also reported it, and the claim can proceed from there.

But i wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. although i think they are about £50 for mirror on a car arent they? which is lulz
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like he deserved to have his mirror taken off to be honest! Karma

You should really report it to the police within 24 hours, but it if were me I wouldn't bother. How is he going to explain it??
"I cut up a bike and then he took my mirror off trying to get back past...bastard"
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't report it that's just silly.. Just plead ignorance.

A new mirror could be up to £400 if it contains heated elements and motors
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt they had time to see it after it happened as I didn't hang around.. I filtered pretty fast off down the road whilst they were probably working out what had happened and took the extra long way avoiding mainroads to work.

Did feel pretty good though, still does.
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PostPosted: 11:09 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they didn't get it, you're fine.
If they did and DO report it, then you could be in some trouble.

However, I think a good argument would be "yes, he was driving irratically, I think he may have been moving towards me as I accelerated in a straight line - I continued making progress and was not aware there had been an actual impact. I will go and check my bike and consider if I want to make a claim against him".
But not having reported it will go against you.

A while ago while filtering I took a mirror off with my knuckles. It was actually entirely 'innocent' - I was swerving out of their way and my hand was on the brake lever at the time.
Tiny scrape on one knuckle, but mirror hanging off.

I reported it anyway, I had genuinely forgotten the reg number as was accosted the moment I sat down at work and they obviously complained.
However, having reported it, you are then given a producer - more hassle and less incentive to report such things, which can't hurt police figures Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deny everything, nothing will happen.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Chris said, deny it, much simpler that way, if he wasnt being a dangerous arsehole it wouldn't have happened. He got bit by Karma...

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But i wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. although i think they are about £50 for mirror on a car arent they? which is lulz


Part of the joy of living on a main A road has meant various pissed people from town walk past and play the 'lets whack mirrors off' game.

Between me and people I know this has happened a few times;

Ford Fiesta (MK7, new one) with indicator, heater and motor - £250, yup, had to pay that, the car was only 4 months old...

Freelander - Some twat punched the glass which pushed the motor back, £50 for new glass and parts of bracket, still not 100%, entire new unit would be £200.

BMW3 - Just the plastic cover went missing, but i had exposed electrics for the motors and heater so got it sorted. £28 for the case and £60 for the pain to have it colour coded (looked shit without).

So they're not exactly cheap, i'm quite likely to move soon anyway, shame really as the area is ok, its just the occasional fuckwits that walk past.

So, wingmirrors aren't cheap, but if someone is a knob then i still kinda think they deserve it.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on what you've said, it's unlikely that he got your plate. So I'd recommend that you don't report it, and if questioned don't admit to anything, and make no statement.

I'll say that again: if the police get in touch about this incident, make no statement. Don't tell them what happened, don't try to explain your side of it, don't even "deny" it, which would admit to knowledge of the incident. Just say "no comment" to any question, no matter how nicely they ask or how reasonable they sound about "just wanting to get your side of the story". Try to be calm, polite but firm.

Remember, you are being investigated and may be charged with a criminal offence. You are entitled to be silent, and should do so. If they want to charge you, let them do it based solely on the accusation, not on any admission that you accidentally make while attempting to defend yourself. A defence is what you present in court, not to the police.

With one witness, no admission from you, and no physical injuries, the CPS will never prosecute it.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

c-m wrote:

A new mirror could be up to £400 if it contains heated elements and motors


Shocked wooooooooow. Totally missed the mark with my £50. shiiit. Foook that for a laugh. And yeah, thinking about it, what these guy say is probably right!
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the old bill catch up with you, tell them your bike got nicked but you recovered it later that day, before you had a chance to report it. They can't prove otherwise.

That bellend deserved to lose him mirror anyway Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Based on what you've said, it's unlikely that he got your plate. So I'd recommend that you don't report it, and if questioned don't admit to anything, and make no statement.

I'll say that again: if the police get in touch about this incident, make no statement. Don't tell them what happened, don't try to explain your side of it, don't even "deny" it, which would admit to knowledge of the incident. Just say "no comment" to any question, no matter how nicely they ask or how reasonable they sound about "just wanting to get your side of the story". Try to be calm, polite but firm.

Remember, you are being investigated and may be charged with a criminal offence. You are entitled to be silent, and should do so. If they want to charge you, let them do it based solely on the accusation, not on any admission that you accidentally make while attempting to defend yourself. A defence is what you present in court, not to the police.

With one witness, no admission from you, and no physical injuries, the CPS will never prosecute it.


This man speaks sense.

Don't report it. You're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot if you do that. In the unlikely situation that they did get your plate, take the advice quoted.
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PostPosted: 16:15 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the advice, planning to follow it Very Happy
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 10 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Based on what you've said, it's unlikely that he got your plate. So I'd recommend that you don't report it, and if questioned don't admit to anything, and make no statement.

I'll say that again: if the police get in touch about this incident, make no statement. Don't tell them what happened, don't try to explain your side of it, don't even "deny" it, which would admit to knowledge of the incident. Just say "no comment" to any question, no matter how nicely they ask or how reasonable they sound about "just wanting to get your side of the story". Try to be calm, polite but firm.

Remember, you are being investigated and may be charged with a criminal offence. You are entitled to be silent, and should do so. If they want to charge you, let them do it based solely on the accusation, not on any admission that you accidentally make while attempting to defend yourself. A defence is what you present in court, not to the police.

With one witness, no admission from you, and no physical injuries, the CPS will never prosecute it.

However, the jury is able to infer guilt from a lack of speech/you not taking the stand. This is only with sufficient prosecutory evidence.

However, as said by Rogerborg, the prosecution won't be able to fulfill their burden of proof other than "HE DID IT!", and with no witnesses for the court to call, what can a Jury do? They have to be impartial and non-bias, so if one is saying he did it and the other is saying nothing/denying it and no witnesses, they will not prosecute.
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