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Big Pete
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 28 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

W@nkel wrote:
Big Pete wrote:
If you want a really powerful, high efficiency engine you use a forced induction 2 stroke diesel. Most really big engines (bulldozers, ships, generators etc) are this type.

And some of the Yank Trucks - The 2 Stroke style total loss system monograde oil we use in the Nortons is Shell Rotella DD+40, DD='Detroit Diesel'.
So Prof Pete, why are smaller 2 stroke diesels not widely used then?


They are made fairly small, but tend to be on industrial plant (where constant speed running is the norm) , I suspect the the transient throttle response is not as good as a 4 stroke (because of the additional blower mass that has to be accellerated/decellerated). Also I suspect most insurance companies couldn`t cope with the idea that the "supercharger" is not a performance enhancing device but an essential component without which the engine wont start Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 28 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Santa,
I have been a good boy this year, and I know I already have lots of toys, but I would be really really good next year if you were to bring me a mint norton F1 sport.

I know that it is shockingly impractical with its total loss lubrication system, and it isn't the most modern of bikes, but I would really look after it, and they make a really good noise! I also would learn a lot of engineering from the rotary engine.

I know I would be opening myself up to more mickey taking from the members of BCF but I am used to this already being a Triumph owner.

I thought the early letter would enable you to source one before christmas.

Thanks in anticipation;

MarJay.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 28 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I also have to ask why (in the interests of fairness) why W@nkel assumed that we wouldn't know what a Norton F1 was?


Sounds like a lot of the BW crowd think we're all 15 and only have a vague interest in bikes. I mean no offence to them but some think that because we don't go to MCC rallies and because we like trackdays that we're not proper bikers.

Oh and apparently riding a sportsbike is a bit detrimental to the biker's good name.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 28 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demonic69 wrote:
MarJay wrote:
I also have to ask why (in the interests of fairness) why W@nkel assumed that we wouldn't know what a Norton F1 was?


Sounds like a lot of the BW crowd think we're all 15 and only have a vague interest in bikes. I mean no offence to them but some think that because we don't go to MCC rallies and because we like trackdays that we're not proper bikers.

Oh and apparently riding a sportsbike is a bit detrimental to the biker's good name.


There is without a doubt a higher proportion of younger /newer riders on here compared to BW, which is cool and to be encouraged, (if only to give the old `uns someone to take the piss out of and pass worldly wise tales on to Wink ). I think that many of the folk who have posted on this thread are the petrolheads/ spanner monkeys /tech junkies /bike anoraks that inhabit this particular forum, hence the knowledge shown. The target audience (who wouldn`t have had a clue) didn`t bother with it.

As for the rally/trackday thing, I am planning on taking some pics this weekend (at the Badger Bash) and posting them on here, hopefully to give folks some idea what the deal is, you never know, you might enjoy it. Shocked Wink

As for a trackday, I would love one, I`m not sure how well the Zed would cope, but it would deff be a laugh. Its mostly the cost that puts me off, for the price of a trackday I could have at least a full weekend of partying, bands etc at a rally.

The sportsbike/bad name bit is a whole `nuther topic, tied in to born agains and all sort of other stuff that (if I can be arsed) I may post about another time, personally I like sportsbikes, especially broken ones (but then I never buy anything that runs Surprised Rolling Eyes )
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W@nkel
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PostPosted: 01:01 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demonic69 wrote:
Sounds like a lot of the BW crowd think we're all 15 and only have a vague interest in bikes. I mean no offence to them but some think that because we don't go to MCC rallies and because we like trackdays that we're not proper bikers.Oh and apparently riding a sportsbike is a bit detrimental to the biker's good name.

Oh dear! there does seem to be a 'them and us' thing going on here. I can only speak for myself and not for all BWers. Ive no doubt that some BWers will disagree with my views.
I will admit that having had a look at the ages of BCF members (on the ages thread) before i posted, i thought that you would be more likely to associate 'Norton' with anti-virus than with bikes! LOL Laughing (in jest). Im not sure where the 'only have a vague interest in bikes' bit comes in, what leads you to imagine that we think that?
As i said before, i assumed that a fair percentage of BCFers would not be aware that only 10-15 years ago the Honda RC30s, Suzi GSXRs, Yam OW01s, Kwak ZXRs and Ducati 851s etc were getting a pasting in the UK from Norton. This was simply due to the ages of most of the peeps on here. Obviously some of you are old enough to remember the war. Im sure that the majority of you are true bike nuts, age has nothing to do with that. One of my 17yr old Nephews is suitably obsessed with bikes (Aprilia RS125).
Erm, 'because we don't go to MCC rallies', but i thought that some of you go to the 'Rock and Blues' and the 'Bulldog'!!? You dont get much more MC than that.
Trackdays... i did a single season of club racing on a CBR600 in 1990 and enjoyed it immensely but at my age i think im perhaps better suited to sitting in a field drinking beer and letching at the bikes and babes passing by. Ive done a couple of 1/4 mile events this year.
Personally, i think the 'Powerangers' v Chop riders / Streetfighters v Scooterists / Classics v retros etc etc mentality is very silly these days. I have owned 15 bikes over the years, all over 500cc with either 1/2/3/or 4 cylinders (or non in the case of the wankel) as diverse in style as a Ducati Supersport and a Harley 1200. We are all bikers as far as im concerned and we should stick together and fight against those who wish to take our freedom away from us, not amongst ourselves. Its good that we are individuals and have differing opinions but alienating fellow bikers by saying 'Sportsbike riders are a menace to biking because they are all out to kill themselves' or 'Chop riders are a menace because they are perceived as a threat to society' etc, does not, in my opinion, help to serve our cause.
Lets all enjoy biking together, the mods v rockers days are long gone.
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

*waves to W4nkel*

Can't think of anything to say now..... Whistle

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PostPosted: 01:17 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

babyyam wrote:
*waves to W4nkel*
Bikes is bikes at the end of the day. And bikers are bikers (except for the ones who are mere motorcyclists, obviously....... Razz )

Hiya, Yep, 'Bikes is Bikes'.... except for Viragos of course Laughing Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:22 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doh, don't lets you & me get started on the subject of Viragos again!

Although I have to admit that my hankering after one has diminished somewhat (somewhat? make that totally!) since getting my Eliminator.

I now intend to make it my lifes ambition to graduate slowly upwards through the whole range.....

...this year the 250, next year the 400, in no time at all I shall be menacing innocent bystanders on the ZL1000, hahaha! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

W@nkel wrote:
Hiya, Yep, 'Bikes is Bikes'.... except for Viragos of course Laughing Rolling Eyes
Damn! thats torn it, i wont be getting my Nobel Peace Prize now will i!?


Wankel, we may have had a long chat at the riverside at Redstock in Cambridge many moons ago, and we may mostly agree with each other on most topics, but there will be hell to pay if you start on Viragos!

Mad Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brace yourself... I can hear MarJay stomping down the corridor...
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

W@nkel wrote:
'Bikes is Bikes'.... except for Viragos of course


Seconded, and I own one Razz
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superabusa wrote:

Right enough of this banter, I'm off to actually ride my bike to my bike club's meet instead of sitting like a sad loser in front of the keyboard wishing I had some actual friends instead of just virtual ones. Twisted Evil
OK then WTF are you doing on here if you don't sit in front of a keyboard talking to 'virtual' people.

I can say that there is probably only one or two regular members on this forum that I have not met.

Now, on to British bikes...
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You still wouldn't find me dead on a british bike Sick They're still shite! Thumbs Down No wonder they went bust when you see the build quality of the things, they're a waste of raw materials, energy & the designers should've shot at birth by their own mothers. Middle Finger Middle Finger:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
I'll have you know that my last bike happened to be a Suzuki. It corroded to powder after the first whiff of winter salt, and it looked like someone had shotblasted it all over. Another regular member of this forum once stripped down his Suzuki Bandit 1200 and found that there was more rust than paint on the frame!

I have ridden my Triumph Daytona through a whole winter, and nothing has broken, nothing has corroded, nothing has even looked like it might fall off. It has taken all of my hamfisted abuse and is begging for more. The subframes have never been known to fall apart whilst riding! Wink

I would be happy to take your fat old BUSa at a track such as cadwell park. My bike does not exel in the area of handling, nor top speed, but I bet it would give your bike a run for its money.

I think that you are the sort of person who makes disrespectful comments about British bikes, having never ridden one before. (oh and a 1967 bonnie when you were a lad doesn't count).

He who is without sin should cast the first stone and all that.... There are 'failings' in every bike, but I would never dream of saying "All japanese bike designers should have been shot at birth."
Come to me with a coherent argument against british bikes, and I'll be here waiting... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 29 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well all you BW lot had better be nice to me Razz
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I think that you are the sort of person who makes disrespectful comments about British bikes, having never ridden one before

Laughing I think that hes the sort of person who makes disrespectful comments about British bikes to wind Marjay up.

BTW Marjay, i used to own an N reg Black 900 Speed Triple with a 3 into 1 exhaust. Erm, just thought you would really like to know that Rolling Eyes
A letter arrived today from the Rotary Owners Club, they have arranged a visit / tour of the Triumph factory but its on a Friday and all my holiday for the year is already booked so i cant go... Crying or Very sad bugger, bugger, bugger !!!
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PostPosted: 02:41 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with some of the comments on Brit bikes. The QC on them was non-existant, which is a major reason for them going under. I had a mate who bought an A10 road rocket brand new which seized 20 miles out of the shop...turns out noone had bothered to drill some of the major oilways in the block!. Another had FIVE C15s before he got one that didn't self-destruct within the first month...and as for Bantams!

The ones that are still running are the good uns, and when you get a good un, they are among the best. Another mate has a 980cc overbored A65 thunderbolt which would give quite a few modern sportsbikes a run for their money!

Great Britain, the country that brought you the Monday Morning Special!
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

W@nkel wrote:

BTW Marjay, i used to own an N reg Black 900 Speed Triple with a 3 into 1 exhaust. Erm, just thought you would really like to know that Rolling Eyes
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It wasn't aimed at you W@nkel, you have a Norton Rotary! Drooling

Oh and I was really talking about Hinkley Triumphs when I talk about reliability and so on... Smile
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 30 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Superabusa wrote:
A British bike can only last for 30 years for 2 reasons, one it's covered in oil so that it doesn't rust, due to the fact that most brit bikes have had their cases screwdrivered sometime in their dim & dreary past by some feckwit in a garden shed or they have had the usual 200 miles per annum then a full strip & rebuild over the winter.


My bike is a 1999...
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PostPosted: 21:32 - 02 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Pete wrote:
I think that many of the folk who have posted on this thread are the petrolheads/ spanner monkeys /tech junkies /bike anoraks that inhabit this particular forum, hence the knowledge shown. The target audience (who wouldn`t have had a clue) didn`t bother with it.


Bugger off. I read this thread and I am about the furtherest from a anorak/techie/spanner monkey as there can be.

'Cept the petrolhead thing, of course Smile


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PostPosted: 23:48 - 02 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is easy to knock the products of an almost bankrupt British motorcycle industry made during the late sixties and early seventies because some of it was crap due to no development and very little quality control. What is the excuse for the Japanes motorcycle industry producing unreliable bikes in the seventies? That pinacle of reliabilty, Honda, made bikes for a long time with self-destucting cam chains. It is only recently that the bike industry as a whole started producing reliable bikes.
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