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RZ350
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: 500cc 2 strokes Reply with quote

Does anyone on this board run a large displacement 2 stroke? Has anyone ridden or had any experiences with any of the production 500's?
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate had an RG500 a while back, and another friend has an old air cooled RD400 which is sooo lovely Very Happy

I've got a TZR250 myself (as well as the SV) and just love the smell of two-stroke first thing in the morning!
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Madness Reply with quote

Hiya,
Having just got a 125 2 stroke, would a 500cc not be like strapping yourself into a rocket and aiming for the moon?

On a technical note, why does everyone go for 4 strokes with big bikes?

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PostPosted: 11:57 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark Beech at work has an RD500,
He loves two strokes, but says he has ever ridden a bike quite like it, or at least as quick. Also says its unrideable in the wet.

People don't really want to pay for the rebuilds on larger capacity two stroke machines,
Not to mention fuel and oil consumption and ever rising emmisions laws 2 strokes just cant contend with.
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not many people tend to own large capacity 'strokers' because they were all built a while ago when brakes and handling were way down on the priority list. Many of the large 500cc strokers will be pushing 15-20 years old and as such will be fragile to say the least.
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi craigie b production 500's aren't to crazy there equal to todays 600 or 750's here are the specs of a 86 gamma 500.

Model: Suzuki RG 500 Gamma
Year: 1986
Category: Sport
Rating: 80.1 out of 100. Show full rating and compare with other bikes
Engine and transmission
Displacement: 498.00 ccm (30.39 cubic inches)
Engine type: In-line four
Stroke: 2
Power: 95.00 HP (69.3 kW)) @ 9500 RPM
Compression: 7.0:1
Bore x stroke: 56.0 x 50.6 mm (2.2 x 2.0 inches)
Fuel control: Rotary valves
Cooling system: Liquid
Gearbox: 6-speed
Transmission type
final drive: Chain
Physical measures
Weight incl. oil, gas, etc: 181.0 kg (399.0 pounds)
Chassis and dimensions
Front tyre dimensions: 110/90-16
Rear tyre dimensions: 120/90-17
Front brakes: Dual disc
Rear brakes: Single disc
Speed and acceleration
Top speed: 228.0 km/h (141.7 mph)
Other specifications
Fuel capacity: 22.00 litres (5.81 gallons
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

It is years since I rode a RG500. Still quite fancy one, but maybe a Bimota V Due would be more fun.

And whose silly idea was it to connect the kick start up on the RG500 after the clutch so that you cannot just pull the clutch and kick it over.

All the best

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PostPosted: 15:28 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

they dont make them because of emission laws bla bla bla!!!
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is my 32 year old suzuki T500. Air cooled paralell twin, the gsxr750 of the early 70s. Torque coming out of its ears (pulls cleanly from 2,000 rpm). 110mph top speed, TLS drum brakes, externally sprung front forks. Redlines at a reasonably modest 7k rpm but there is no need to push it up there with the amount of torque. Fuel consumption up to 40mpg but has been as low as 25mpg

Pulls so hard that the back wheel lifts and skips along the road with a fast getaway (you get a 250cc bang every 180 degrees with that engine) trick is to put your right foot on the pillion pegs (which are attached to the swingarm) and push the wheel down with your leg.

Oh yeah, the best bit...Tax exempt, insurance £75 comp Very Happy

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PostPosted: 16:14 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
Oh yeah, the best bit...Tax exempt, insurance £75 comp Very Happy


How old do they have to be before they are exempt?
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea and the worst bit is that it looks like a shed Laughing

I'll stick with my bike thanks Razz
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

fuzz wrote:
stinkywheely wrote:
Oh yeah, the best bit...Tax exempt, insurance £75 comp Very Happy


How old do they have to be before they are exempt?


IIRC they must be manufactured (not necessarily registered) before 1972 to be classified as a historic vehicle. It used to be a rolling 25 years but they froze it a bit back when they realised people were getting tax exempt CB750s and things.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Yea and the worst bit is that it looks like a shed Laughing

I'll stick with my bike thanks Razz


Better watch out or I'll park it on top of you! That was the top of the range until the kettle came out (GT750, 2-stroke triple, LC) I'll have you know.

T500s can be made to go plenty faster than mine, a race tuned one would give your 750 a run for its money;) I have a pattern for a full race spanny system that fits right inside the original silencers but I have a certain amount of mechanical sympathy for a bike that is considerably older than me.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing My point was that bikes like that one appeal to certain people who like the 'classic' styling. Although it may be fun to ride I still couldn't live with myself if I bought one. And I doubt the handling would match my bike either...

Oh and I don't have a 750 anymore but that's beside the point Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What goes around, comes around. I have noticed a move back towards some of the 1970s styling cues in the last few years (Z750, XJR13). Mark my words, everyone will be riding silver and blue bikes with slash cut silencers and 19" front wheels with or without baconslicers (anyone know what they are then?) in a couple of years. Laughing

Oh, I should have mentioned that the big chrome parcel rack was the first thing to hit the bottom of the scrap metal bin!
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if you go here......... www.yamaha-rd.com but it's the place to ask Wink
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two "production race bikes" of the 80's are still quite popular around here and i am not sure if they've reached the state of being fragile yet. I am happy to hear from all the stroker lovers out there, keep the coments ands pics coming.

thanks flat spot, i've never been but will check it out asap.
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can tune up the rd350 quite a bit, so might be worth a look.

I believe they use the same engine in some of the current Yamaha Quads; they have been known to be tuned up to 100hp ish I think!
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
You can tune up the rd350 quite a bit, so might be worth a look.

I believe they use the same engine in some of the current Yamaha Quads; they have been known to be tuned up to 100hp ish I think!


You can realistically look at getting low to mid 60s bhp out of a 350 powervalve, and that's with a lot of engine work and a 375cc overbore. I am sure more is possible but it would blow up real quick.

A mate of mine has run 9.05 out of a 1982 RD500 in full drag trim (stretch swingarm, wheelie bars, the lot)
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
IIRC they must be manufactured (not necessarily registered) before 1972 to be classified as a historic vehicle. It used to be a rolling 25 years but they froze it a bit back when they realised people were getting tax exempt CB750s and things.


[ot]I always was under the impression that a vehicle must have been first registered before January 1974 to qualify from tax exemption? [/ot]
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 03 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
[ot]I always was under the impression that a vehicle must have been first registered before January 1974 to qualify from tax exemption? [/ot]


Nah, 1972, deffo. My dads KH350 is a '73 L-reg and was not eligable, but we got a letter from kawasaki stating that the bike with that engine number was manufactured in 1972. Sent the letter to the DVLA and got it reclassified as a historic vehicle.
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