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T0MMY
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Knocking from front forks Reply with quote

I've recently noticed a clunk coming from the front forks of my CB-1 as they move in and out. Doesn't appear to be headset bearings or wheel bearings or anything but something internal in the forks.

Any ideas? It seems to be worse on the very cold mornings and improves as the bike is ridden and the forks are moving for a bit although it's always present.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Bushes? Wheel bearings (although unlikely). Fork brace / mudguard loose? Even brake pads moving in the caliper.

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PostPosted: 14:21 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Knocking from front forks Reply with quote

T0MMY wrote:
I've recently noticed a clunk coming from the front forks of my CB-1 as they move in and out. Doesn't appear to be headset bearings or wheel bearings or anything but something internal in the forks.

Any ideas? It seems to be worse on the very cold mornings and improves as the bike is ridden and the forks are moving for a bit although it's always present.


Hmmm, I've got the same problem with my CBR600, it doesn't appear all the time, normally it's when I first use the brakes after starting off, then nothing! I was going to check it out last weekend but we were treated to a whole weekend of thunder storms, so being garageless I couldn't do it!
My first line of attack will be the brake callipers and their mounting bolts, (maybe should be checking the disks as well), after that I'll be looking at the upper and lower headstock pinch bolts.
If neither of those reveal anything I guess I should be checking the stering stem bearings. Don't know about your bike but mine has clip-ons so I'll have to check those out as well.

Does your bike have a steering damper? Maybe worth a look if it does.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could well be bushes, but as said already check out the brake calipers and pads, and wheel/headbearings first.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 15 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the same sort of thing I tightened the headstock 1/8th of a turn and it went away Thumbs Up

It only happened under braking
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 16 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

This happens all the time whilst I'm going along, just a continual knocking but not rhythmic. If I bounce the forks at a standstill you can hear and feel the knocking and it definitely sounds like it's inside the fork legs. Pretty sure it's not brake or wheel related and the headset bearings feel fine too.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 16 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only one way to find out, strip them down, I imagine it would only be on one fork so try to find out which one, although it is probably worth stripping both and changing seals bushes oil etc. as forks are rarely serviced.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 16 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need to use the bike everyday and don't have a lot of spare time so it's a bit awkward. Probably have to wait 'til the xmas holidays if I want to take it off the road.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, had a bit of time today at work to look at the bike. Seems I was wrong about it being internal to the forks; it only makes the noise when the front brake is on and I bounce the forks. If I bounce them with it off then they're fine which makes me think headset bearings or front brake. The caliper bolts are tight and the disc has no play in it. The caliper does move a bit when you wobble it by hand but then I seem to recall that's normal (amazing that I'm not sure after 14 years of motorbikes Embarassed ) as the slider pins have a bit of play in them?

As for the headset bearings I can't feel any play in them with the front wheel off the floor and I can't produce the clunk by pushing and pulling on the forks.

Any of this shed any more light on the problem?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

AFAIK the disc should have play on it (floating discs) and the callipers shouldn't.


I'd tighten the headstock bearing mine was tight and I had to put alot of force through it to tighten it and it only moved a fraction, but that cured the problem. It is easy and quick to do.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
AFAIK the disc should have play on it (floating discs) and the callipers shouldn't.

I'd tighten the headstock bearing mine was tight and I had to put alot of force through it to tighten it and it only moved a fraction, but that cured the problem. It is easy and quick to do.


I suspect with the weather this cold the disc will be fairly tight on it's supports (I've always assumed floating discs were to contend with heat expansion but never actually checked this).

Not sure holding the rear brake on will make much difference will it as it won't be making any force go through either the headset or the front brake?
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, did some more playing over my lunch break...

With the back brake on there is no clonk whether or not the front brake is on so it's the forwards and backwards motion that causes it, not the telescoping up and down of the forks.

On that basis, this could still be front brake, headset or something inside the forks really couldn't it Laughing


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PostPosted: 15:17 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tighten the headstock.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm inclined to agree with you Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 Had similar symptoms and it was the steering head bearings that needed tightening up.
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