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coolhands
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

I was thinking this morning, as my car idled for 1/2 hour to defrost, how on earth would an all electric car cope with bad weather like we've got at the mo? The amount of energy required to defrost windscreens and heat the car on your journey must be pretty huge.

I had my heater going full blast all the way to work...
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

I'm sure car fans could be a lot more efficient power-wise.
Similar issues with decent head lights at night, etc - in the end, it's still quite small compared to the power needed to move a car at a decent speed.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's going to be plugged in to the mains overnight anyway.

Presumably you'll just set a timer the night before and it'll be sat there all warm and defrosted ready for you to fall down the stairs with a slice of toast in your mouth.

Of course, this wont count towards their energy consumption...
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

enduro1 wrote:
I was thinking this morning, as my car idled for 1/2 hour to defrost, how on earth would an all electric car cope with bad weather like we've got at the mo? The amount of energy required to defrost windscreens and heat the car on your journey must be pretty huge.

I had my heater going full blast all the way to work...


It wouldn't, because petrol contains an enormous amount of energy per litre 30000 BTU IIRC or 9KWh.

Oh and depending on your car the heater doesn't really use much energy as sometimes they use the waste engine heat (a lot of it! Since cars are 30% efficient there abouts) instead.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

Every car I've had has only used engine heat with no additional heaters (bar rear screen), though some do have them.

However, it's the fans that use a lot of power. Someone had mounted one in the rear of my van and it could drain the battery really quickly.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question I thought it was the actual heater (as in the elements) not that fan that consumed most of the electricity?
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you want to heat a milk float, they have open cabs anyway.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

enduro1 wrote:
Question I thought it was the actual heater (as in the elements) not that fan that consumed most of the electricity?

In most cases it's basically a radiator - coolant flows through it and the air is blown through that to warm the air up. Called a 'Heater matrix' or similar.

So that shouldn't use any power.
I think some cars for colder markets do have heating elements to get the inside warmer before the engine heats up.

Oh and plenty of (electric) milk floats have doors Wink.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
It wouldn't, because petrol contains an enormous amount of energy per litre 30000 BTU IIRC or 9KWh.

Oh and depending on your car the heater doesn't really use much energy as sometimes they use the waste engine heat (a lot of it! Since cars are 30% efficient there abouts) instead.


He's asking about an electric car though, not an internal combustion one. There is no waste heat from an electric car bar the heating up of the motors which is not enough to heat the cabin and only occurs when driving.

It would be a fairly significant drain I would imagine but as Stinkwheel said, you'd set it to pre-warm while plugged in at home. I think electric cars are ridiculous anyway, they're not efficient at all when you factor in where the energy comes from to charge them.

Nearly all internal combustion cars use a heater matrix which is just a 2nd radiator so having the heaters on actually improves engine efficiency (insignificantly) as you're draining away more excess heat. The blowers are only going to use a few watts, nothing to a running engine. I think some VAG cars have electric wire heaters because apparently the engines are so efficient that on idle the coolant never heats up enough to heat the cab.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 17 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Electric cars - heating Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:



It would be a fairly significant drain I would imagine but as Stinkwheel said, you'd set it to pre-warm while plugged in at home.


Problem is even if you preheat how long will it last? Often I get to work early after a long drive and wait 5-10 mins sat in the car. The warmth escapes pretty darned quick!
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