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PostPosted: 14:33 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Dog Training Reply with quote

Just curious as to who, if anyone, has managed to teach their dog to go from placid to batshit mental by a certain spoken word and if so how do you do it ?...

When my Rottweiler was a puppy if I said ' Nail 'em ' she'd go mental and chase the other dogs but now she's one and a bit she doesn't do it, I want to train her to bark at the door or certain people if I say a single word, not actually attack them, just make them wary...

So, how do you do it peeps...
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say your desired command word, I personally would go for "surprise".

After uttering the aforementioned word kick him in the balls, do this daily.

Within a few days he should respond as you want him to when you shout surprise.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the same as getting the dog to "speak" or bark.

Insted of using the command word speak - I use the word "guard" works a treat when the missus is out for a walk with the boxer and some bloke tries to talk to her - the word "guard" and the boxer barks, grawls and generally looks like his up for a fight
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheets650 wrote:
It's the same as getting the dog to "speak" or bark.

Insted of using the command word speak - I use the word "guard" works a treat when the missus is out for a walk with the boxer and some bloke tries to talk to her - the word "guard" and the boxer barks, grawls and generally looks like his up for a fight


Helpful, but how do you get the dog to know what Guard means ?
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine goes mental if I say "cats" (he is actually looking for cats though) or "send 'em off".

Not really sure how I managed to teach him that TBH, but the border collie I grew up with was exactly the same when he heard the command.

I reckon I probably just said "send 'em off" when he was already barking at something and he's picked up on the association of barking and the command.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest - the same way as you train everything else.

Positive recognition when the dog does what you want. I advice the clicker and treat rountine.

Dog does what you want and you push clicker and give them a treat - the dog will get to understand that if you click he gets a treat - then he will try and do what you want to get the treat.

Obviously - it's a lot harder than the above - but thats the basics. It takes time and patience - and always make it FUN for the dog.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheets650 wrote:
To be honest - the same way as you train everything else.

Positive recognition when the dog does what you want. I advice the clicker and treat rountine.

Dog does what you want and you push clicker and give them a treat - the dog will get to understand that if you click he gets a treat - then he will try and do what you want to get the treat.

Obviously - it's a lot harder than the above - but thats the basics. It takes time and patience - and always make it FUN for the dog.


+1. It wasn't something that I was actively trying to teach him, if I was I'd use treats.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Dog Training Reply with quote

ADAM79 wrote:
So, how do you do it peeps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9JcOZlMlLY
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any canine with the minimum of intelligence will know when it's time to put on a show... If it doesn't, you bought a retarded dog...
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM me if you're serious about teaching your dog.

I do this for a living and i'm in Coventry.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Dog Training Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
ADAM79 wrote:
So, how do you do it peeps...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9JcOZlMlLY


Previous experience tells me not to click any link you post Ste, I don't care if it is from youtube Laughing

Simple I am serious...

ZRX61 She isn't retarded, she will bark and growl if she doesn't know you but I want her to do it on command, she'll sit, stay and shake a paw, it's just she's more playful than agressive, I wouldn't run the risk of jumping over the fence if you didn't know her though...
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 25 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Dog Training Reply with quote

ADAM79 wrote:
I want to train her to bark at the door or certain people if I say a single word, not actually attack them, just make them wary...


I can understand you wanting the dog to bark at the door - that makes perfect sense.


But training a dog to growl/bark aggressively on command seems a bit odd? Most dogs will deal with most situations correctly without needing to be told to be aggressive - unless you want a dog that you can get to act aggressively even when the other person isn't being aggressive?
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Re: Dog Training Reply with quote

Dex wrote:
But training a dog to growl/bark aggressively on command seems a bit odd? Most dogs will deal with most situations correctly without needing to be told to be aggressive - unless you want a dog that you can get to act aggressively even when the other person isn't being aggressive?


It's simple...

Whilst she will, say 3/5 times, bark if you enter the house or knock the door she's all about the fuss, for a bit of fuss she's anybodies, I want her at the stage where she's wary of other people unless she's told it's ok...

I also don't like having to leave her chained/leaded to something if I'm out with her and have to nip into a shop, the minute someone approaches and fusses her she'd happily go with them, with the pricks round here and the dog fighting that's been uncovered over the last few years just up the road in Birmingham I'd rather say a word to her if I have to leave her outside a shop that would mean she's causious and would bark if people approached her...
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've written paragraphs and paragraphs, but it all comes down to one word, matey..........

............WHY?

If you don't want her stolen, don't leave her - she's precious, you wouldn't leave a wallet full of money tied to a bench somewhere iffy, don't leave your dog.

You'll struggle to have her genuinely aggressive on your command now she's learned to trust everyone. Like someone said of course it is possible, but I have to say why would you do it to her - essentially you want her to be nervous and unstable on your command.

IMHO you are completey BONKERS!
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I own 2 rottweilers and to be honest think your actions sound completly irresponsible. The breed gets bad enough press without idiots teaching them to be perceived as "AGGRESIVE".
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeti wrote:
I own 2 rottweilers and to be honest think your actions sound completly irresponsible. The breed gets bad enough press without idiots teaching them to be perceived as "AGGRESIVE".


If you get a dog trained properly, then they only train a dog controlled aggression.

So if he says sit while it's barking, it will etc...
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm quite a believer in the "pack mentality" thing when handling dogs, so that your dog learns to think that its a lesser dog than you.

For that reason I have to agree that I wouldn't advocate attempting to instil aggression into any dog, the concern being that the aggression could be turned on to improve its standing in the "pack" that is your family.
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PostPosted: 15:18 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tbh I don't think she's got it in her, she's a playfull friendly dog that was born for fuss, I dare say she'd do it when it counts so I'll not bother...
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADAM79 wrote:
Tbh I don't think she's got it in her, she's a playfull friendly dog that was born for fuss, I dare say she'd do it when it counts so I'll not bother...


I think that pretty much sums up the breed from my experience. My Grottie is very playful and at nearly four shows no sign of getting any less 'puppyish'. I'll admit that much of that is down to the way he is treated, but all the Grotties I have had first hand experience of have been very similar. As long as they are kept well exercised and socialised I can't imagine how any of them get into the scrapes that the media likes to extol. They must be very badly treated to become that aggressive and unpleasant. You've got a good dog there, Adam79 and it sounds like you've done everything you can to make her that way, why change that?

I'm very much with Yeti on this one. I have had people hurl abuse at me for just walking my Grottie out on a lead and I find it extremely distressing. He's a good dog and no more or less dangerous than any other dog - the problem is always the potential danger given their size. It's all down to the way they are treated, trained and looked after - there are few bad dogs, but many bad dog handlers - don't be one of them, Adam79.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tonka ( You do realise you have me on Facebook so Adam/Ad will do, not the whole ADAM79 bit Laughing )
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

ADAM79 wrote:
Thanks Tonka ( You do realise you have me on Facebook so Adam/Ad will do, not the whole ADAM79 bit Laughing )


I wasn't 100% sure, so I didn't wish to presume Embarassed all these different login names etc confuse oldies like me!!

..............anyway, if that's the nice stuff out of the way and you are officially a friend, I'll be up front and honest - WTF you thinking, you numptie? Mr. Green

Grotties are fab dogs!! Mine was given to me, not my choice of dog and he would not have been on my doggie radar before, but I am an absolute convert to the breed. A much maligned breed and in my experience they have an undeserved reputation. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 17:15 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was like I said, she's just to trusting, she'd go with anybody for a bit of fuss, I was just thinking of putting her on alert incase I had to leave her alone for a few seconds or if out walking anything happened to me she wouldn't just be led/lead/taken...

Anyway, I'll not bother like I say, she's as good as gold and she may do it if and when needed...

As for the breed and reputation, my other Rotty died the year before last, she'd made it to eight and a half I think she was before I had to have her put down due to complications with her womb and back passage, I've also had Alsations and Boxers, if I'd have had Boxer money at the time I'd have had another two, reputations of these dogs I'm well aware of it's just I've never known such a placid dog as this one...
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

They'll do anything you want for treats usually, train mine to do silly stuff like shut the door and give paw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitrAWq6l40
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PostPosted: 19:23 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

so if you train your rottie to be aggressive/ wary of others, and you give it the command to do so when you leave it tied up outside the shop...



and my 12 year old goes to the shop to get milk, and sees a nice doggie unattended outside the shop, so goes straight up to it to pet it....


You see where this is going? The dog doesn't have to savage a kid - if you've left it unattended and it shows aggression towards a kid then it's getting put down. Particularly a breed like a rottie that's already got a bad rep from the very small minority of dogs that are un-trained or badly trained by idiot owners.

If you're that worried about the dog getting stolen, don't leave it unattended when you're out in public.
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 26 Dec 2010    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want to train her to bark at the door or certain people if I say a single word


This is the original point of the thread.

I really don't know how we have gone from training the dog to bark on command to savaging a 12 year old on her way to tesco's!

As posted already having a command to get the dog to bark or growl is actually VERY handy. The missus often takes the boxer out for a walk and she has used this command on at least three occasions.

Lets be fair their's a lot of weirdos out and about and funny enough when a 50 kilo dogs starts barking at them - they seem to go and be weird elsewhere.
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