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Vman
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Petrol Prices.....Yawn, sorry..... Reply with quote

WTF is going on 130/l!?!?

All I can think of doing as a protest is to stop using my car/bike and get on my trusty push bike. But, I can't help thinking that that option is kind of playing into 'their' hands anyway.

Why oh why don't garage forecourts display the price as a split to show us punters just how much of that staggering price is tax and VAT (we pay VAT on tax on petrol????).

Sorry I know this subject has been done to death on here....
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride/drive faster.

You may as well get the most enjoyment out of it you can Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petrol 132/L here in isle of man this morning, diesel 138/L...... looking for a cheap C90
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a C90 petrol prices are pretty much irrelevant, 2 pound fill ups Razz

That said, possibly getting an R1 tomorrow so will be a shock adjusting to 20 quid at a time...

I would like to protest but see the likelihood of anything gaining critical momentum unlikely, thats probably what most think which is why it wont work. I cant see it going back down to the 70-80p/litre days...
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to me the scum running this country are keen for riots. And they'll get them eventually, because this whole cost of everything going through the roof while wages remain frozen or are reduced cannot go on indefinitely.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pulling a figure out of my ass only 10-20% of motorists would be willing to do a proper effective protest, its not enough to force change.

I cant see people rebelling short of £1.50-£2/litre
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Even with the current tax rises (including the implementation of labours last fuel duty increase) the percentage tax is low compared to previous times (it was around 80% tax when the fuel strikes were on, nearer 60% now).

Oil prices haven't gone up massively over the years. What has happened is that the pound isn't as over priced as it was previously, pushing up the price of imported oil. A US$70 barrel of oil was about £33 when it was $2.10 = £1, which now about £46 at $1.50 = £1.

The over priced pound was just a way to make inflation look low by making imports cheaper. Now we are just paying for it with the price rises that should have happened years ago.

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PostPosted: 15:37 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Even with the current tax rises (including the implementation of labours last fuel duty increase) the percentage tax is low compared to previous times (it was around 80% tax when the fuel strikes were on, nearer 60% now).

Oil prices haven't gone up massively over the years. What has happened is that the pound isn't as over priced as it was previously, pushing up the price of imported oil. A US$70 barrel of oil was about £33 when it was $2.10 = £1, which now about £46 at $1.50 = £1.

The over priced pound was just a way to make inflation look low by making imports cheaper. Now we are just paying for it with the price rises that should have happened years ago.

All the best

Keith


All that is just so much blah-blah to the man in the street. The bottom line is the level of bearable stress, and when that is exceeded the shit will start hitting the fan. Even in the 'good' times the average joe was getting by only by living on credit. What's the next Gothic Line?
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

True, but the only solution is to actually start producing things that other countries pay us for, or at least producing things so that we don't have to import them.

First stage of that is to make the UK an affordable place to produce things, and a first place to do that (and there are loads of other things to be done, such as reducing the pointless government bureaucracy) is to reduce the value of the pound.

Sure we could probably keep getting more loans and higher interest rates to drive up the value of the pound, but long term it would just make things worse.

When you are in a hole, stop digging. Sure sucks if your job is digging the hole and you are now unemployed though.

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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taxes on petrol are at around 80p/l, and yes whilst the above may well be factually correct, it does not make it 'right'. The current government failed to implement the 'variable' taxation on fuel to keep some sort of price stability.

For all those poor sods who have to commute a reasonable distance to a low paid job, these sorts of price rises are killer. Depressingly, I fear that 2011 may be a very hard year.


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PostPosted: 15:50 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest, No1 solution, is to have people at the top who care more about the population than their own selfish interests and having the biggest and the bestest and the mostest of everything. And hearing filth like Cameron and his scumbag cronies squawking "We're all in this together" doesn't make the nut.

The world's economy isn't run for the general benefit of all humanity, it's run for the benefit of a handful of vermin. That's why our human civilisation is in the mess it's in.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

We will see another fuel protest like we did in 2000?
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip wrote:
We will see another fuel protest like we did in 2000?


And the rest, hopefully. Enough civil unrest to see the govt brought down in chaos and disarray.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
The biggest, No1 solution, is to have people at the top who care more about the population than their own selfish interests and having the biggest and the bestest and the mostest of everything. And hearing filth like Cameron and his scumbag cronies squawking "We're all in this together" doesn't make the nut.

The world's economy isn't run for the general benefit of all humanity, it's run for the benefit of a handful of vermin. That's why our human civilisation is in the mess it's in.


Strive to be at the top, then sort it from there?

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PostPosted: 16:05 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

RIOT!
That's all.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vman wrote:
Taxes on petrol are at around 80p/l, and yes whilst the above may well be factually correct, it does not make it 'right'. The current government failed to implement the 'variable' taxation on fuel to keep some sort of price stability.


Possible, but saying that taxes will be manipulated to maintain a reasonable fuel price is just an open invitation to ramp up the pre tax prices.

Hetzer wrote:
The biggest, No1 solution, is to have people at the top who care more about the population than their own selfish interests and having the biggest and the bestest and the mostest of everything.


Maybe, but those at the top have the power to sod off with their money to tax havens. A vindictive 95% tax rate (ie 1970s style) might sound nice but just drives people to find worthwhile ways to save their tax.

Problem is that we now have a hideous amount of government spending, half of which is there to sort out problems caused by previous hideous levels of government spending. Pensions, health and welfare between them account for £368B. With a working population of 29m that is just under £13000 per working person just to support the 3 largest government expenses.

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PostPosted: 16:15 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They want unleaded to £1.50l by summer Thumbs Down

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PostPosted: 16:15 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Health...have the NHS run by other than total fucktards and corrupt scum.

Welfare...give people jobs with living wages (real-world living, not 3rd-world living) and don't then thieve most of it in taxes. Welfare would sort itself out.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
(real-world living, not 3rd-world living)


You really think people in this country are 3rd-world living?!?

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PostPosted: 16:26 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky why have you got those bikes in your sig? been dreaming?
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
(real-world living, not 3rd-world living)


You really think people in this country are 3rd-world living?!?

Laughing


A lot are, yes. Poor food, causing serious health issues. Damp houses because they can't afford to heat them, causing serious health issues. Serious mental stress due to poverty and worry thereof about making ends meet, causing serious health issues. Teeth falling out of head due to not being able to afford dental care, despite obscene NI deductions. Should I go on?
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

woll wrote:
Chalky why have you got those bikes in your sig? been dreaming?


No mate, they're all at home!

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People bullshit all kinds of things and bikes in their sigs so I thought I'd take the piss!
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Health...have the NHS run by other than total fucktards and corrupt scum.


Not going to happen with any large scale service dealing with people who have no choice.

Hetzer wrote:
Welfare...give people jobs with living wages (real-world living, not 3rd-world living) and don't then thieve most of it in taxes. Welfare would sort itself out.


We have some of the highest wages around. US minimum wage is about 2/3 of the UK. Put the wages up higher and more jobs will run abroad meaning yet more people on welfare and so more taken as taxes. Nobody in their right mind would produce something in the UK when they can get good staff willing to work for a fraction of the amount in other countries.

Pay is too high because UK living expenses are too high. Much of that is from rampant house price inflation over the years. High house prices mean high wages to pay for them, but then those who don't have to pay for their house (mortgage paid off or still living at home) have loads of excess money to buy useless toys and push prices and waste up in general (so we land up with high streets populated with shops selling hideously over priced coffees and the like).

Increasing wages will just make things far worse in the long term.

Trouble is that sorting out the problems we have as a country will be very painful. We are all living way beyond our means. As a country we are like someone in a McJob living the high life on credit cards, and now we are having to pay it back.

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PostPosted: 16:32 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hetzer wrote:
Health...have the NHS run by other than total fucktards and corrupt scum.


Not going to happen with any large scale service dealing with people who have no choice.

Hetzer wrote:
Welfare...give people jobs with living wages (real-world living, not 3rd-world living) and don't then thieve most of it in taxes. Welfare would sort itself out.


We have some of the highest wages around. US minimum wage is about 2/3 of the UK. Put the wages up higher and more jobs will run abroad meaning yet more people on welfare and so more taken as taxes. Nobody in their right mind would produce something in the UK when they can get good staff willing to work for a fraction of the amount in other countries.

Pay is too high because UK living expenses are too high. Much of that is from rampant house price inflation over the years. High house prices mean high wages to pay for them, but then those who don't have to pay for their house (mortgage paid off or still living at home) have loads of excess money to buy useless toys and push prices and waste up in general (so we land up with high streets populated with shops selling hideously over priced coffees and the like).

Increasing wages will just make things far worse in the long term.

Trouble is that sorting out the problems we have as a country will be very painful. We are all living way beyond our means. As a country we are like someone in a McJob living the high life on credit cards, and now we are having to pay it back.

All the best

Keith


All of the above is a perfect illustration of how the scum run the world. Do you think it's accidental? Sure, one can yack on about how communism doesn't work, as if communism is the component at fault. It isn't, the scum at the top who ran communism were the fault. Like saying a car is crap because the driver rags it in 2nd and doesn't ever change the oil.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 04 Jan 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CHR15 wrote:
i always wondered...

what happens when everything gets so expensive, no-one can afford anything any more?

thats what started to happen last year with the resession,

first luxury items suffer,
then people start to buy cheap alternatives
then people go without
then people suffer

Ive got a disposable income of 20 quid a month atm. thats going to get slurped up by the fuel increases over the next few months.



Watch this space for an answer
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