Observation Routine Practicing for MOD2

[blurredman]

Hello,


Thinking of doing my module2 soon. The only real worry that I have and indeed the only thing in the test you need to do, is the observation routine.

I have an understanding, and have been practicing and developing my routine for many months now, that these are the routines:

Turning left (in or out of junction):

Right mirror and lifesaver,
Left mirror and lifesaver,
Indicate left,
position to the left,
Lifesaver then Turn.

Turning right (in or out):

Right mirror and lifesaver,
Indicate right,
Position to the right,
Right lifesaver before moving if traffic was blocking,
A lifesaver before the turn and then turn.

Pulling up to the left:

Right mirror and lifesaver,
Left mirror and lifesaver,
Indicate left,
Move and de-accelerate and stop,
indicator off and left foot NOT on pavement.

Pulling out from parked position (done after pulling up):

Left lifesaver,
Right mirror and shoulder check,
Indicate right,
Move off, lifesaver before central lane position.

Moving off traffic lights:

Check both shoulders before moving, doing this while the lights are changing- so the learner isn't holding behind up

I know that in dedicated turnoff lanes, you keep in a central position in that lane.

While changing speed (slowing, speeding up) both mirror checks with whole head movement.

Anything that sticks out as being wrong?
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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[Rogerborg]

You might be over thinking it a bit. Just own your lane, make it obvious that you're looking around, careful in to junctions and confident out. They're looking to see if you can ride the bike, not follow a textbook.
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[blurredman]

I keep finding conflicting results when searching.

I myself would find it un-nessisary to do a right shoulder check when Preparing to turn left onto a side road, but then others disagree and so might the examiner for that matter.
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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[Rogerborg]

What kind of mental looks over their right shoulder just before turning left? Does that make any sense to you? Would you do that in normal riding? Then don't do it on your test.

Examiners don't want to see you performing tricks, they want to see you riding sensibly.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[N cee thirty]

best thing i get some lessons

anoo its expensive but can be life saving
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[metalangel]

Don't look around too much, they'll get you for not looking where you're going!

My instructor said I was doing too many checks, especially while going around roundabouts
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[blurredman]

I'm a capable rider, I just need clarifications on this such as these, robyar.


Thanks for information Metalangel.



Rogerborg: I know!! I said it myself, I didn't used to do it up until a few days ago on account I heard it was a necessary procedure.


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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[brianmm]

When you accelarate you should check over your shoulder mate,the reason being somebody may be overtaking in your blind spot and as was pointed out to me by its not only dangerous but also illegal to give it some when someone is trying to pass you.you might not see them in your mirror if they are already out there.

[blurredman]

[MinhDinh]

[blurredman]

[Rogerborg]

You need to display confidence in your riding abilities. At this point, it looks like you're just inflicting a crisis of confidence on yourself. I'd put the mouse down and step away from the computer.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[blurredman]

[Rogerborg]

1000 words of advice:

https://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:npYoFQKjbN7Z_M:https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Joel7373/StiffDrink.jpg

Now, I hasten to add, not on your test. On your test, you offer your hip flask to the examiner. 12 year old single malt, or better. A guy on the intartubes told me it's the only way to pass!

Chillax, chumrade. Ride your normal ride, do your normal observations, and don't do anything that causes another road user to take avoiding action: just about everything else is a minor.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[MinhDinh]

[blurredman]

Thank you, This topic has definately clarified the problem I am having in understanding.

To be honest, I have been doing the correct technique more or less since CBT and it obviously has been perfected over many many months. I don't know where I got the right shoulder to turn left from, but I know now it is inappropriate for the situation.


Just wanted to clarify it, as I am not taking lessons. And acquiring such advice can be like Chinese Whispers.
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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[MinhDinh]

I would advise at least finding a place that does 1 day lessons. This time of the year, they will proabbly beg for any work.

If you have followed up on your CBT, then great stuff. It's not always easy at all.

I found the instructors for my second company all different, but just perfect. My first go was one man, who was good but some reason I failed on turning that he didn't pick up. Honestly, I didn't know how my turning was bad but nevermind.

3 days would be great to learn your mistakes and regain confidence. These guys know their stuff, more than me. However it's not cheap but doing one day and then riding around the test area yourself would be very good.

Remember there are roads that are on the test route which may be tricky. For example I had a road with a white line in the middle, but because it is a one way road, you have to stay on the right hand lane to turn right. I had two instructors that both said this is the only road like this, but infact they were different roads... and it proved to be great because I was taken to one of them on my test.

Speed limits, clear way signs and obviously junctions and zebra crossings were the danger points. Also decision making skills of when it was safe to join a road was what I was mostly afraid of, especially round abouts.

Get a person who is a really good driver/rider to follow you around, stay at the right speed, not always on the edge of 30 MPH in a 30, sometimes do 25 if it's a tight road, wet or very busy.

These things you can pick up on lessons, but of course you can pass without.
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[blurredman]

Dinh,

About training centres, I did telephone one and they require 125 squid a day, at a minimum of two days booking!

I passed my car test some 2 years ago in a town called Barry in South Wales- There are 30 degree hills, many one ways, tight roads and alike where I passed my test. The City which I need to visit in order to do my test is Newport.

I pride myself on using every day what I learned when driving, and hope to continue that in regards to riding through and past the test. It is wired in my brain what to do when. Sure we all make silly mistakes and we don't know why we do things.

But in the test, I will make sure I do things by the book and know that there is indeed a man following me and watching my every move. I must prove to him that not only can I ride sufficiently, but I can ride safetly and courtiously.

I've got set routines in my head that if I see someone in the middle of the road, I should stop and let them by, if Someone even looks like they are walking towards a crossing, slow down and stop.

The test is no place for seeing red, so if someone does take my safety gap, drop back. If someone's doing something silly like trying to cut infront of me, just hang back and let them do it.

Blahblahblah
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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[MinhDinh]

You have got the right attitude there! Having done a car test, that must help you. Nerves can play a big part, so I think with your experience, practice and attitude, well done is in order unless something messed up happens.
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Hit the G spot.

[Rogerborg]

Good attitude, but try to forget you're being watched. I missed an unmarked crossroads on my first Mod 2 because I was looking in my mirrors for the examiner.

On the 2nd attempt, he wimped out and followed in a car, which I found much less distracting. So hope for bad weather.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[clancy]

roughly just mirror mirror life save maneuver
as long as you ride safely and get loads of obs in you'll be fine mate
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[blurredman]

Okay, that's in my head sorted.

I have a question though. In the test, If I were to turn right on this roundabout from the West, should I be in the right or middle? Clearly the middle lane says to go forward only. But no doubt I could be failed for incorrect lane usage as although the middle lane says forward only, it does follow around to the right, and even back around 180degrees. What sense does that make? Which lane would I be expected to use?

https://www.bikechatforums.com/download.php?id=76611


And here is another example. Say I am coming from the south to turn East. Left lane or right?

https://cdn.bikechatforums.com/files/123_182.jpg
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CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
Past: 1991 Honda CG125BR-J, 1992 (1980) Honda XL125S, 1996 Kawasaki GPZ500S, 1979 MZ TS150.
Current: 1973 MZ ES250/2 - 18k, 1979 Suzuki TS185ER - 10k, 1981 Honda CX500B - 91k, 1987 MZ ETZ250 - 40k, 1989 MZ ETZ251 - 52k.

[Beelzebob]

Right lane both times.

On the first pic, there is a dedicated right turn lane (far right of the three on the western approach) - so you will be expected to use this lane. Stay in the right hand lane (i.e. inside) of the roundabout until you're ready to turn off. Indicate left after you have passed the exit before the one you're taking, and left lifesaver before you actually exit. If something's in your way when you do your lifesaver, go round the roundabout again.

On the second pic, although the lanes don't appear to be marked, I would probably choose the right hand lane. It's logical - two exits, one lane per each. However, there could be signage on approach which says you can use two lanes to turn right - which could be the case if it's a major road (e.g. ring road). In which case, use either lane depending on traffic/conditions. On exit, use signalling/lifesaver procedure as above.
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[blurredman]

[Rogerborg]

Right hand lane in both cases, and I'll tell you why: because if you let a car on the right of you, it could be Darryl in his Saxo getting L-plate rage, trying to overtake on the roundabout, then cut you up by diving for an early exit. Don't offer Darryl that opportunity.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike