Spotting hazards 30% faster.....

[CaNsA]

Watching the good old program "Police, Camera, Action"

The numpty who presents it, the one that says "He nearly side swiped the car as he carried out a risky overtake" when there is clearly a full car width etc etc im ranting.

He just said that experience police pursuit drivers can spot potential hazards 30% faster/sooner than a novice.

Makes me wonder two things.

1. As i dont drive a car, do bikers who also drive a car spot potential hazards faster than the drivers who do not ride bikers?

2. If so, should all pursuit drivers be recruited from BCF?

[ollieholt]

i was told by a mate that bikers have less accidents in cars because they are more road aware, i would tend to agree even though there are, of course, exceptions to the rule. the bike test itself requires many more checks then a car driver, life savers etc i actually got a minor telling off on my car test for checking over my right shoulder too often

biking experience does make you more aware of other drivers in general, in my experience anyway. i truly believe is has made me a better driver.
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[clancy]

what he said basicly ^^

i do feel a much better car driver due to riding bikes
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[Shaft]

Yep, being a biker first definitely made me a better driver, better awareness, reactions etc.

Conversely, driving a car made me a better biker; I became aware of cage blind spots and the different (read slower/less responsive)nature of cars, which made me position myself in such a way as to maximise my visibility and ability to react, when a car did something stupid.

Back when I was younger and angrier, I was an advocate of the theory that every car driver should be made to spend at least a month on a bike.
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[Rogerborg]

No. Police drivers are specially grown in vats then raised in Jedi academies. By ninjas. They have X ray vision, precognition, and can divide by zero. The only way to weaken their superpowers is by shaving off their little moustache and stealing their Aviator shades, and even then they can still satisfy your wife twice as effectively as you.

At least, so I've been led to believe by every police driver I've ever spoken to, even the chap round the corner that got suspended from driving duties after crashing 3 cars in 1 month. Then wrote off his own WRX. Then got another one. And wrote that off too.
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[clancy]

lmao ^^

they are clearly a higher level of human. with there extensive training and higher driving ability.............oh wait. didnt see that there...

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[blurredman]

That's just the attitude of police programmes. They are, basically Propaganda and will twist the actual reality of the situation for the police to sound superiour and to sound like they actually know the law.
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[robbieguy2003]

I'd kinda agree with the power limit on the car at first. Within 3 months of passing my car test I was whizzing around in an Impreza STI with a ProDrive kit on it.

I'd had bikes for a number of years before getting a car license and I think that helped immeasurably. Without the bike, i might have crashed that car quite quickly.

I'd like to see everyone having to 'progress' and start on a bike, but I also see the impracticalities of doing so. Certain people can only drive cars due to disability, this can even at a young age.

Saying that though, the level of government nannying keeps going up and i'd prefer them to take a different approach.

Government should only take action when the population ask for regulation or action, not just when some twat from Westminster thinks it's time to do so.

I'll stop now because this'll turn into a rant.
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[elky]

I don't drive a car that much any more, but when I do - I notice the following:

I am much more observant - I can use all the mirrors to see all over the place, and still find myself throwing the odd life saver.
I don't speed as much as I used to, because I can't be bothered waiting to get to a decent speed.
I am generally quite warm and comfortable.

But..

My road positioning is sh1t, if a car is turning right - I'll always try and slip up the inside of it.
Traffic mortally offends me. I mean, I can be 3 cars back from the lights and sit getting p1ssed off that I should be at the front.
If I'm sat in a jam on the motorway, I just sit back and smile at all the bikes filtering right through.


So I think I'm 30% better than most other cars, but 30% worse than others on bikes.

[G]

There was an amusing thing from the US press where a biker was blamed for a death.
He was being chased a policeman in a car. The policeman crashed his car, killing himself and possibly injuring someone else.
The biker did not hit anyone and I believe got away.

Apparently it was the biker's general lack of skill that was 'at fault' for the death of the polceman .

[MarJay]

The Police Drivers of the UK sued the makers of Law and Order because that was the names they already use for each of their legs.

The Police drivers of the UK are the only people who can punch so hard that their fist goes all the way around the world and hits them in the back of the head.

The Police Drivers of the UK are the only people who can keep up with the '98 R1.
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[swiftb]

Agreed, just because you have a title doesn't neccesarily make you any better at something than the next person.
I think the same applies to advanced riding/IAM etc. I bet theres plenty of bikers out there who are equally if not even better riders, than some of these advanced rider/IAM, police bikers etc.

Its all about the title and the perception people have of you if you have said title. When in reality any biker with half their wits about them could become an instructor/police/biker etc etc. just by passing said training courses etc. Its being presented with the opportunity. But as with anything just because you are "insert important persons title here" on paper doesn't mean your some kind of alien. It means you met the minimum requirements for that role.
Personally I think a lot of 'skillz' you either have or you dont. You can be taught skills and methods but your never going to be as natural as the person who 'naturally' has them - if that makes sense.
Hazard perception, reaction times, the ability to flow on a road - a lot of it comes down to your natural instinct and the speed at which your brain processes information.

A person approaching an open junction which is clear slows down to a stop, looks to find its clear then pulls away.

Different person approaching same junction has already clocked the road conditions, hazards, clocked traffic - or lack of it in both directions carrys on at junction without any hesitation.

Whilst training could open up the first persons vision and awarness I dont think they will ever be as naturaly aware as the person who has this ability as 'instinct'.

Think of it as gaining a licence. Gaining your licence means you must meet a minimum requirement - We all know how many numptys can actually muster up enough wit to pass their test but are still shocking drivers/riders. Anyway, im not 100% sure what my point is here but meh.

[CaNsA]

WTF!!!

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[CaNsA]

Could you not find a bigger picture?



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[G]

And better watch for those drunk drivers crashing their high powered sports cars:
https://cars.uk.msn.com/news/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=154605357

Oh, wait. That'd be the police who ended up upside in some one's garden while the drunk driver entirely failed to hit anyone .

[alan0259]

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[bootsbiker]

I started on bikes but then stopped riding.. Start with cars and vans and was a courier and drove all around Europe many times.. I went and got a full bike licence 10 years go... I have not driven a car for years..

When I am on the bike I am always thinking how and what the car drivers are doing which I think helps keep me saver.. (touch wood ever1)..


If I had my way you would have to do a test on a push bike then a test on a small bike (even of road) and then you can go for your car licence.. I bet that will stop a lot of accidents...
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[everyreasonto]

Most people who drive cars don't check their blind spot at all, not even when changing lanes.

I and all the other bikers I know take the habit of shoulder and blind spot checks into the car with them. My boss picked up on this, and thats why he lets me drive his spanking A6 between jobs