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[rsooty]

I'm trying to do a thread about 125's and 50's and need the following info. I've spent ages trying to find most of it and got fed up.

I need:

Names for sports, crossers and general run-around 125cc bikes.

De-restricted speed of - RS50, GPR50, AR50, GSX-R50, TZR50, RS1 50, RX 50, Senda 50, GSM 50, KTM 50 and DT 50.

Power (BHP) - RS 50, RX50, GSM 50, KTM 50, DT50.

Approximate cost of Senda50 and KTM 50.

Sooty

[Sparks!]

What exactly is the KTM 50?
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[G]

No help I'm afraid, but:

A lot of people do seem to get very hung up on the power and speed of smaller bikes.

I think most people that have owned them and have moved up to bigger bikes would say that the most important factor is the money spent for what you are getting.

Fair enough if you are getting a bike and it won't do over 30. But if you're going to derestrict them, a lot of older bikes (and newer ones I presume) have easy to fit big bore kits that are probably just as illegal and will offer you even more speed for not much money or work.

[badlydamaged]

Okay, well heres a list and small summeries of all the 100cc - 125cc bikes I have imformation on, if you want any more info / pics or some performance data ask me, I would have put it here but it took long enough to write the below!

Aprilia

125 Red Rose (Mad 2 Stroke Costom from early 90s, using engine similar to RS125!)
125 Europa (Early 90s Naked RS125, seldom seen)
125 AF1 (lates 80s Race replica, developed into RS125)
125 Extrema (development of above)
RS125 (Another development, very quick race replica)
Tuono (New naked version of the RS125)

Cagiva:

Super City (Big trial style road bike with sporty LC 2 Stroke motor)
125 Roadster / Blues (Mad old 2 Stroke custom from early 90s, rare)
Mito 125 (Mad 125 2 Stoke Race replica)
Mito Evolution (Development of the above)
Planet 125 (Naked Mito)
Raptor 125 (Current naked version of Mito, similar to above)


Honda:
H100 (Fun little 2 stroke hack)
Cb100 (little 4 stroke commuter)
Honda 125 Benly (old 60s Twin 4 Stroke)
125ss (Another 60s Twin 4 Stroke)
CB125K (Another fourstroke twin, from early 70s)
CB125 Twin (Decent 80s Twin, powerful for 4 Stroke 125 (16hp in unrestricted models)
CM 125 (Mild Custom twin from the 80s, was developed into the Honda Rebel I belive)
Honda CD125T (Similar to CB125 Twin, with single carb and less power)
Honda CB125s/j (4 stroke single from the 70s)
Honda Cg125 (The imfamous commuter bike)
Honda MTX 125RW (Liquid cooled 2 stroke Trials bike)
Honda NS125 (80s LC 2 stroker that was developed into the NSR)
Honda NSR125F (Early 90s Sports 125)
Honda NSR125R (Later version of above)
Honda CBR125 (4 Stroke LC sports 125)
XL125V (Big road trial bike with 4 stroke motor )
XR125L (4 Stroke Trials bike)

Husqvarna:

SM125s (Recent 4 Stroke single super moto style bike)

Hyosung;

GV125 Aquiller (Recent 4 stroke cruiseer)
RX125 (Recent 4 stroke trials bike)
GT125 Comet (4 Stroke Street bike with good looks)

Kawasaki:

Kh100 (100cc 2 Stroke Hack)
KE100 (old style trials bike that shared running gear with above)
KC100 (Sickly detuned version of Kh100, sold as Commuter)
KH125 (125 Version of KH100)
Ke125 (125 Version of KE100)
Ar125 (Sports 125 made from 1978 into the 90s)
KMX 125 (2 Stroke Trials bike from the early 90s)
KDX125 (Another 2 Stroke Trials Bike, similar to KMX)
125 Elimiator (Little Custom style 4 Stroke cruiser)

Kymco:

Cruiser 125 (recent 4 Stroke custom)
Hipster 125 (odd recent 4 stroke cruiser)
Stryker 125 Trial (Large 125 4 Stroke trials bike)
Pulsar 125 (4 Stroke commuter)

MZ:

125 (iron Curtain 2 Stroke hack made from late 70s into the 90s, not many about now)
RT125 (recent commuter 4 Stroke single)
125SM (Recent Super moto style 4 stroke single, also SZ trials version of the same bike avaiable)

Sachs:

Roadster 125 (Recent Mild custom style V twin 4 stroke street bike)
XTC125 (Four stroke Sporty faired bike, also old 2 Stroke versions floating about i Belive)

Suzuki:

A100 (Old 70s 100cc 2 Stroke)
GP100 (Replaced the above in 1980s, quick for engine size 2 Stroke)
B120 (118cc 70s 2 Stroke single, very old fasioned)
GP125 (125 version of GP100)
GT125 (Quick little Two Stroke Twin from 70s)
GN125 (Mild Custom bike from 90s, with 4 stroke motor)
GS125 (Decent 4 Stroke Commuter made from 1982 into the 90s)
DR125 (little 125 4 Stroke Trials bike)
RG125 (Eighties two stroke race replica)
RG125 FU (Development of above from the 90s)
RG125U Wolf (naked version of above, rare)
TS125 (2 Stroke 125 Trials)
Ts125R (Replaced above, with LC motor)
GZ125 Marauder (Recent Four Stoke single Cruiser)
VL125 Intruder (Recent 4 Stroke V twin Cruiser)
RV125 Van Van (Odd recent 4 Stroke Single, with Large tyres and high level exhaust)

Yamaha:

YB 100 (long lived 2 Stroke 100cc single, based on FS1E Moped)
RS100 (80s 100cc 2 Stroke hack)
RXS100 (development of above with slightly more power made up until mid 90s)
YAS1/3 Early 70s Two Stroke twin, very old fasioned)
RD125 (replaced the above in 73, Two stroke twin made up until 1981)
RD125 LC (Liquid cooled, sporty 125 single two stroke which replaced Rd125)
DT125 MX (Old style late 70s two stroke trials bike0
DT125LC (repalced the above in 1982, more modern style and LC motor)
DT125R (Development of above)
TZR125 (Late 80s Race rep 2 Stroke single)
TZR125R (90s version of above)
TDR125 (odd, big road trial style 2 Stoke thing from the 90s)
SR125 (Mild Custom 4 Stroke single made in mid eighties, and then resurected in 1992 as Yamahas 125 commuter)
XVS125 Drag Star (recent 4 Stroke twin custom cruiser)
TW125 (recent 4 stroke single, similar to Suzuki Van Van)

Im sure Ive missed some out, I know I have missed out The Gileras but Unfortunatly I cant find any Info in my books .
Oh well, hope this helps a little, just shows the amount of 125s there are about ! I have quite a bit on 50s, but not as much as 125s and not much data on them, I can write down a list of them however, particulally the more obscure early japenese bikes .
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[badlydamaged]

Oh, and as for top speeds, I cant be exact but from my experiance I would say top speeds of the 50s mentioned would be:

RS50 (2002 model): 58 ish MPH on the speedo
AR50: 45 mph - 50ish I would imagine
DT50: The old Dt50MX would churn out about 45 mph, newer ones would be about 55mph.
RS1: No more than 60 I would think
GPR50 Again about 55 - 60 mph
Senda would be roughly 55mph
RX50: about 55 (although some goon I used to know claimed he once got 70 on the speedo down a really steep hill, the bike blew up shortly afterwoods)
TZR50 (about 55 - 60mph)
GSX-R50: Considering its only got 4 gears and is an ancient 4 Stroke, I would say 40 mph tops.
KTM 50: Dont know much about this, probably 55 mph tops
GSM50: about 55 mph tops again

A quick search on Bike Trader suggests that Sendas go for from £650 for a 1997 one, up to 2 Grand for new ones.

Havent got the foggiest about the KTM's price!
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[rsooty]

Great stuff there badlydamaged. I won't be doing all them 125's as i'm simply far too lazy but i'll take a pick of some of the more popular ones and start writing up next week.

And G - I understand what you mean but the majority of people that are asking about 50's and 125's seem to be asking about the top speeds of them, not reliability. If they were all going for reliability they would ride CG's instead of NSR's. I'm going to put a link up in the thread to https://www.bikez.com as the bikes on there are rated for reliability aswell as lots of other things. (It's where i'm getting most of my information.

Sooty Thanks again for the help.