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PostPosted: 16:52 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: What bike to replace R1? Reply with quote

So I need to get rid of the R1 this spring as the girlfriend gets a sore arse every time we go out on it.

I need to get something else but have no idea what.

Needs to have a relatively comfy back seat - BUT - not be a total shed of a bike.

I still want something fairly good looking and something quick. Has to be over 750cc and probably similar age to the R1 (2002 model).

Any ideas on bikes anyone?

All I can find out there are CBR 900's, ZX9's (though not much comfort), CBR1100XX or ZZR12 but I dont really like the look of any of these.

I want something that looks like the R1 or ZX10 but with a decent sized back seat and rails/handles?? Is that too much to ask?
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a big ask... The ZX9R is probably the closest bet, although the seat isn't large. Why not consider having a 'pillion' bike and a 'solo' bike. Keep the R1 as your solo bike and buy a CB400 SuperFour as a pillion bike or something...?
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

duck tape a cushion to the rear seat, an R1 is more important that she is. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 16:54 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CG125 Wink just kidding, How about a GSXR750 Smile
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Replace the girlfriend. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

jogrr1994 wrote:
CG125 Wink just kidding, How about a GSXR750 Smile


Don't think that would help. The pillion arrangements on recent GSXR's are just as bad as an R1.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acemastr wrote:
duck tape a cushion to the rear seat, an R1 is more important that she is. Mr. Green


Haha, that's a good idea!!

I thought about just paying for her to do the test as she is 22 now and can do the unrestricted thingy...insurance will be a killer though I bet.

Anyway, didnt think of the Gixxer but will have a look, im guessing they look good like I want but the back seats are small like the R1.

My first bike was a CBR600F which would be fine, if I could put the engine in it from the R1, now I am used to the torque and not having to rev the crap out of it, I dont want to go back Sad
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you not thought about having the pillion seat repacked with a gell cushion. they can be had for under £30 and if you ask around the local sowing shops im sure they will know someone who can repack the seat for you for cheap.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:10 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: What bike to replace R1? Reply with quote

MiztaZiggy wrote:
the girlfriend gets a sore arse every time we go out on it.


Give up dogging or whatever it is you are doing? Thinking
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sprint ST?

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PostPosted: 17:19 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberglass wrote:
Have you not thought about having the pillion seat repacked with a gell cushion. they can be had for under £30 and if you ask around the local sowing shops im sure they will know someone who can repack the seat for you for cheap.


The seat isnt the only issue, there are no handles and the back seat is tilted slightly forwards. It means that she is constantly putting pressure on the bottom of my back and slides forwards alot when I slam on the brakes (yes I could drive more gently but what would be the point of an R1 if I wasnt going to drive it quickly?)

After a long ride my back and upper legs ache when she is on it too from the pressure of someone leaning on you.

She tells me that having to reach round me and rest on the tank and push when I brake feels like doing way too many press ups after even a short trip.



Just found this
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/200931338741789/sort/priceasc/usedbikes/price-from/500/price-to/5000/cc-to/1400cc/body-type/sports_bike/cc-from/900cc/page/16/radius/200/postcode/ls249tp?logcode=p

I dont know anything about Triumphs, are they reliable, are they well built, are they quick?
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Sprint ST?



That sprint ST looks ok, quite a bit like the CBR600F I had. Are they 1 litre? Are they quick?
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: What bike to replace R1? Reply with quote

I'd go with a ZX9R E/F model. Cheap. Faster than a 98 R1 over a 1/4mile, same top speed, better fuel economy and more comfortable.

Creative matches include:

VFR800
Sprint ST - the 1000cc model
Z1000SX - if you want something brand new.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MiztaZiggy wrote:
I dont know anything about Triumphs, are they reliable, are they well built, are they quick?


Yes, Yes and yes.

However, they are a LOT heavier than an R1, a LOT less powerful, and they aren't really all that comfortable for pillions.

The Sprint ST has similar performance, but has a much more practical seat. I do think though that after an R1 either of these bikes would be a disappointment though.

Have you thought about something like a Suzuki GSX1400? Powerful, fast in a straight line and with a squishy comfy seat. Not as precise handling as the R1, but if that isn't why you ride anyway it doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxr's of that age had huge pillion seats
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PostPosted: 17:42 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
MiztaZiggy wrote:
I dont know anything about Triumphs, are they reliable, are they well built, are they quick?


Yes, Yes and yes.

However, they are a LOT heavier than an R1, a LOT less powerful, and they aren't really all that comfortable for pillions.

The Sprint ST has similar performance, but has a much more practical seat. I do think though that after an R1 either of these bikes would be a disappointment though.

Have you thought about something like a Suzuki GSX1400? Powerful, fast in a straight line and with a squishy comfy seat. Not as precise handling as the R1, but if that isn't why you ride anyway it doesn't matter.



I dont like the sound of a bike being a disappointment after an R1. I had thought about the Busa (GSX14) but I dont think they would corner well and I love having a bike I can flick around and hang off the side of while I drag it around tight bends.

I realise that im probably going to have to give something up to get the comfy back seat, I would probably it were the speed/acceleration rather than the handling though.

I have also just been looking at ZX12's and think they look ok, does anyone have one or know what they are like? Im looking at the 2002-4 models. They look a bit like the blackbirds but a bit more sporty and my brother has a 636 and I know that is well built(ish) and reliable so happy with kawazaki.
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always thought of pillion capacity to be a 'useful now and then' thing, rather than a lifestyle choice. Lets be honest, it sucks for the rider and it sucks for the passenger.

I had a Sprint ST (the 1050 version) and from a rider's pov it handled taking a pillion just fine. Pillion wasn't brilliantly comfy but lightyears away from perching on the back of a sprotbike. Lovely engine, that thing. However, don't expect it to go, handle, or stop anything like an R1 will.


MiztaZiggy wrote:

I thought about just paying for her to do the test as she is 22 now and can do the unrestricted thingy...insurance will be a killer though I bet.


By far the best option*. Get some quotes, I doubt it's that bad.

*Well actually her paying to do her test is the best option.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a Yamaha MT-01 and she'll be practically begging you to take her out on it, lots of vibrations. Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sprint is a 955cc, my dad has one, his is a 99 bike with high 30 something k on the clocks he has had it since the high teens, and has not had a single problem with it. He also believes it is on the original battery(I'm not sure about this) the bike is a fair weather bike and is under a duvet with an optimate on most of the winter mind. It is really quick lots of smooth progressive power. I think they are about 130bhp which must be 20bhp down on the R1 but it does have more torque. It handles OK, nothing special the brakes are good but different to the R1 brakes.


It's hard to explain I have R1 brakes on my TDM and it is like hitting a brick wall as soon as you squeeze the lever you have to be gentle, with the sprint the brakes are still really good but there is alot more lever travel and they don't 'feel' as good but they still stop the bike very quickly.

I''m 6'5 and I thought it was pretty comfortable to pillion on, my dad's bike does have a top box though which helps.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that you must understand FIRST AND FOREMOST is that R1's are not designed to be comfortable for passengers PERIOD!
Most pillions just handle it, like others said try get a gel seat.

R1's are just about comfortable for the rider!

There is no compromise on an R1 FULL STOP!

Either you get a tourer or a crusier bike or my hands to help her bum feel better!

Personally I would put talcum power on both my hands and slap my woman if she ever suggested that I get rid of my R1!

Its 2011 women making songs about being dependant and calling men scrubs and stuff!

Get yer own damn bike!

by the way my missus has a car and I have lied to her saying I dont have a spare helmet dunno how im gonna get away with that line this summer tho!
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: What bike to replace R1? Reply with quote

c-m wrote:
I'd go with a ZX9R E/F model. Cheap. Faster than a 98 R1 over a 1/4mile, same top speed, better fuel economy and more comfortable.

Creative matches include:

VFR800
Sprint ST - the 1000cc model
Z1000SX - if you want something brand new.


The more I look at the Ninja the more I think that this is going to be the bike. My bro has a 636 and the ZX9 looks to have the same seat and handles which I already know are comfortable.

I got the 2002 fuel injected R1 so probably wont be as quick but also probably wont be far enough off for me to really care.

What is the difference in the ZX9 E and F models? I have found examples of both and it looks as though the F is the newer model and E the older one? (The E model looks very similar to the 2002 ZX6R my bro has)
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
The thing that you must understand FIRST AND FOREMOST is that R1's are not designed to be comfortable for passengers PERIOD!
Most pillions just handle it, like others said try get a gel seat.

R1's are just about comfortable for the rider!

There is no compromise on an R1 FULL STOP!

Either you get a tourer or a crusier bike or my hands to help her bum feel better!

Personally I would put talcum power on both my hands and slap my woman if she ever suggested that I get rid of my R1!

Its 2011 women making songs about being dependant and calling men scrubs and stuff!

Get yer own damn bike!

by the way my missus has a car and I have lied to her saying I dont have a spare helmet dunno how im gonna get away with that line this summer tho!


There is plenty of compromise on an R1, that is why it isn't at the front of a MOTOGP grid.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

R2?

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PostPosted: 18:27 - 01 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are having a laugh!

The 02-03 R1 has the worst pillion seat ever (maybe the 09-10 might actually be worse)!

Its flat and you slide all over the place and as for cushion, thats a joke!

I understand the problem his woman has as that bike is so uncomfortable as a pillion as you have 0 cushion and plus the wind hits you full force due to the height of where the seat is and the position of the acutal rider!

If you had actually been a pillion on that bike you would know and understand there is no compromise!

What the hell has the R1 not being on the front of a MOTOGP grid got to do with an everyday rider and his missus going for rides on a bike that will not compromise with reguards to taking pillions.....im baffled by your statement!?!

Clearly you asked CHUCK NORRIS for a turn on his 98 R1 and he looked at you and said YOU ARE NOT PREPARED before ridding off at warp speed!
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