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iSinBlood
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Confuzzeld Reply with quote
Hey guys,

Was on my way home yesterday and I was litterally confused about this biker. He was on a bike similar to this:
https://bikesource.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/honda-swing.jpg

He had the 'L-Plates' on but he was carrying a Pillion on the back of his bike. I thought and just assumed that when you are on 'L-Plates'; you cannot carry a passenger?.

So was he in the right or in the wrong?.

Cheers.

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fiveus
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Could of been an instructor. So was in the right Very Happy

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PostPosted: 10:18 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nobody should carry a pillion whilst having L plates on, if he was fully licensed and was allowed to ride with a pillion the L plates should have been removed
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iSinBlood
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think he was a instructor, because they went into the UNI near me, got off and went inside. So that lead me to think whats going on, because why would some on L-plates be carrying a Pillion.

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PostPosted: 10:23 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm confused. How did he get a pavillion onto a bike?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavilion_(structure)

https://www.camacdonald.com/birding/Hotspots/England/BrightonPavillionlogo.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry haha, Pillion**!.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thats not a bike.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://files.sharenator.com/i_see_what_you_did_there_RE_Anyone_else_see_it-s450x545-95526.jpg
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iSinBlood
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kwaks wrote:
Thats not a bike.


Scooter then.
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DrDonnyBrago
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: Confuzzeld Reply with quote
iSinBlood wrote:
Hey guys,

Was on my way home yesterday and I was litterally confused about this biker. He was on a bike similar to this:
https://bikesource.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/honda-swing.jpg

He had the 'L-Plates' on but he was carrying a Pillion on the back of his bike. I thought and just assumed that when you are on 'L-Plates'; you cannot carry a passenger?.

So was he in the right or in the wrong?.

Cheers.


He was in the wrong:

He either had a full licence, in which case he can take a pillion but shouldn't be riding with L plates...

OR

He had a provisional licence, in which case he should be riding with L plates but cannot take a pillion.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Did the L plate have a cross through it? Some instructors when picking up students for DAS courses use black electric tape to cross out the L plate as mentioned it's illegal to pillion someone with the L plate being displayed.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Back in the mists of time I'm sure you could take a pillion if he had a full licence. I remember thinking it was a stupid law.
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm pretty sure that you DON'T have to take L plates off if you've got a full licence. I did used to think this was the case, but I believe someone on here may well have corrected me and a little research I believe showed that this was the case.

From first result in google - https://www.policespecials.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=69119 .
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
what about if the rider was a full license holder but the bike was owned by a provisional license holder?

Like if i pass my full test and then ride my brother's moped as a named rider with him pillion, why the hell would i need to remove the L's to ride, only for him to replace them next time he rode? :s
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itsallgood
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nick__C wrote:
what about if the rider was a full license holder but the bike was owned by a provisional license holder?

Like if i pass my full test and then ride my brother's moped as a named rider with him pillion, why the hell would i need to remove the L's to ride, only for him to replace them next time he rode? :s


Because thats what the law states?

My dad is insured on the CG, but as he has a full test he takes the L plates off. Probably more out of embarrassment than any legal reasons though lol
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
itsallgood wrote:

Because thats what the law states?

My dad is insured on the CG, but as he has a full test he takes the L plates off. Probably more out of embarrassment than any legal reasons though lol

Where does the law state that? It doesn't state that, from what I can gather.

A lot of people hold the mistaken belief it does - including me in the past.
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
So if i regularly rode with my brother as a pillion (not that i really would want to btw this is just an example) I'd have to remove his L plates and then reapply each time when he rode on his own?

I don't know of anyone doing this with cars when a full license holder is driving one with L's so why would it be different for a shared bike/scooter?
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do that all the time. Never had a problem.
If a copper moans about it I'll tell him to pull every single driving school car.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
G wrote:
itsallgood wrote:

Because thats what the law states?
My dad is insured on the CG, but as he has a full test he takes the L plates off. Probably more out of embarrassment than any legal reasons though lol

Where does the law state that? It doesn't state that, from what I can gather.
A lot of people hold the mistaken belief it does - including me in the past.

calyx wrote:
I do that all the time. Never had a problem.
If a copper moans about it I'll tell him to pull every single driving school car.

Well, I checked this in the RTA probably five years ago, and it DID have clauses in there at that time.
Clauses about Learners having to weat them, and averything were in there.
As far as full licence holders, there was clause about them not displaying L's that implied that it was illegal, though there may have been a grey area in wording and it said 'should not' rather than 'Must Not' or something.
However it did provide quite clear 'exemption' for driving istructors in training cars, and from memory, it was OK for them to drive the car displaying L's 'during the course of their business' as a driving instructor, so between apointments or taking over from an overwrought student, but it was wuite clear that they should obscure or remove BOTH driving school banners as well as 'L-Plates' if used for 'private use'.
It may have changed, but for rider training, we 'inturpreted' the clause to apply to bikes, if we had to ride a bike to the petrol station or two-up a rider to CBT.
Have to admit I take Snowies 125 out with the L's still on quite often, without taping over them.....
amazing how, considering drivers dont tend to see bikes at ALL, presence of an L-Plate makes them behave differently, and make them FAR more likely to pull out of side turns and stuff on you, than give you a bit of extra road room!
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: 'L' Plates Reply with quote
It is law that if you have a Full Motorcycle Licence entitlement (or full 50cc moped entitlement through having a driving licence prior to February 2001), the 'L' plates have to be removed or covered - there are NO EXCEPETIONS.

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Teflon-Mike wrote:

amazing how, considering drivers dont tend to see bikes at ALL, presence of an L-Plate makes them behave differently, and make them FAR more likely to pull out of side turns and stuff on you, than give you a bit of extra road room!


I expect the drivers train of thought goes something like...

"Glance right........clear
look left a bit..... clear
look right a little...........clea.....oh hang on a bike..

....Its okay, its probably going to be flying along and out of my way in a bit anyway.....

......F**k its a learner, going to be wobbling along at 17mph - Bollocks am I going to get stuck behind you!..."

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PostPosted: 20:40 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 'L' Plates Reply with quote
Raine wrote:
It is law that if you have a Full Motorcycle Licence entitlement (or full 50cc moped entitlement through having a driving licence prior to February 2001), the 'L' plates have to be removed or covered - there are NO EXCEPETIONS.

Ah, could you provide us with the exact law then, please.
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Raine
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: 'L' plates and the law Reply with quote
Vehicles. Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).

Copied from this page : https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069868

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PostPosted: 20:58 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 'L' plates and the law Reply with quote
Erm, sorry, but that's not a law Confused.

Did you read my link further up where the police people were discussing it?

Raine wrote:
Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles).)

Note that the other bits say MUST in bold (while I had to add the italics myself here), pointing to them being laws I expect; while the 'should' we would presume more suggests it's advisory but not compulsory.

Of course, not saying there's not a law - but you haven't provided us with that.
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Raine
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 03 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
If it is really important for you - I will contact our local traffic policeman for clarification in the matter - presumably you have some burning need or desire ?

Certainly - as far as the DSA are concerned - it is a requirement and they are quick to point this out to anybody attending a test centre who has a full licence - riding a motorcycle with 'L' plates on

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