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It's the helmet. It'll be an XXXL shell (whatever their biggest size is) with extra padding inside, to save the expense of making different shells.
I think you'll be lucky to find a helmet in that price range that comes in a range of shell sizes, and it's not easy to find the information - it'll be a case of hitting the bike shops and viewing them....
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Well price = safety is not always the case, I'd have to say your friend is being presumptuous and a little bigoted as I think the governments new helmet testing scheme will show.
The BX-2 is actually safer than most Arai helmets. Having a 4 star rating on the new government Sharp rating, whereas most Arai helmets have a 3 star rating mostly owing to poor impact ratings on the side of the helmet. Only 3 Shoei helmets better the BX-2 namely the Qwest, Spirit II and XR-1100 in safety tests and most of them cost 10 fold.
The Nitro Aikido at approx £70 has a 5 star rating (the best) along with the more expensive £150+ helmets such as some AGVs, Bells and others. Hence why I'm interested in it.
You can find all the details here:
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I only buy the safest helmets regardless of low price, I was asking more about the profile of the BX-2 as it does seem rather large. |
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The BX-2 is actually safer than most Arai helmets. Having a 4 star rating on the new government Sharp rating, whereas most Arai helmets have a 3 star rating mostly owing to poor impact ratings on the side of the helmet. Only 3 Shoei helmets better the BX-2 namely the Qwest, Spirit II and XR-1100 in safety tests and most of them cost 10 fold.
The Nitro Aikido at approx £70 has a 5 star rating (the best) along with the more expensive £150+ helmets such as some AGVs, Bells and others. Hence why I'm interested in it.
You can find all the details here:
https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/
I only buy the safest helmets regardless of low price, I was asking more about the profile of the BX-2 as it does seem rather large. |
i would not go off sharp rating to be honest, everything has to meet a standard then the difference in prices is due to the quality and build of the helmet.
if £20 box helmets where the best, then GP riders would be wearing them, and there not.... not saying go off what the GP riders wear but it is a good point.
as for your helmet looking massive its because its a cheap one so its been very cheaply made. as RogerBorg said above, they will make one shell size of XXXL and just fill it with padding, so yes you have got the bigest helmet available. where as better made helmets come in different shell sizes. so small helmets are actually smaller than xxl ones.
i own 3 helmets, a caberg V2 £50 joby. a £180 KBC and £480 Bell Carbon fibre helmet. and i can assure you that the bell is the best of those by far, irrelivent of the price, its the comfiest, the best made the quality is far better etc etc etc.
so basicly, yes a cheap helmet will keep you safe because they all meet a standard. it may not be comfy or well made. the more money you spend the better made it will be etc etc.
that all make sence? at the end of they day, the best helmet is the one that fits you properly, the make of it is irrelivent. and if your helmet is huge and just filled out with padding i would say that it is not a good fit to be honest
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And on the shells there may only be two shell sizes but the padding determines the actual size.
EG Shell one is supplied for the smaller sizes and shell 2 is for the bigger sizes. You don't really have to worry about the shell size, just go by S, M, L etc and you'll be supplied with the correct shell
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| spetom wrote: | If I'm a size L helmet I'll still be landed with an XXL helmet unless I buy a £400 Shoei which is the only one I can find so far that 4 different shells?
So still no solution buying a more expensive helmet. |
Are you seriously still struggling with concept of getting what you pay for? When you charge that much for a helmet, you can afford to have multiple shell sizes, when you charge £20 for a lid, well christ alone knows what that pays for in terms of research and development, certainly not enough for me to trust my head inside of it.
Not entirely sure what these Sharp ratings include but they're entirely unlikely to be conclusive.
It's the same argument as the whole chinese bikes. Sure, it looks like a motorcycle, and you can get one, brand new, on the road, doing all the things that a japanese spec bike will, for the price of a decent set of one piece leathers. But it is and always will be a piece of shit.
Manufacturers cannot possibly afford to research, develop, design, manufacture and deliver a motorcycle halfway across the world at that price and still turn a profit. Corners will have been cut all over the place, guaranteed.
The same thing applies to a £20 lid, probably even a £50-£100 lid to be honest.
Basically, what you're after is all of the perks you get from a properly designed, and well manufactured lid from a company that's been in the business of preventing brain-pavement interaction for years, but you want to pay chinese bike money for it?
Grow up, accept the comprimise, one way or the other.
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| Quote: | Grow up, accept the comprimise, one way or the other. |
I think you should cool off.
Like I said I don't want to pay £400 for a helmet, (for the record I believe the government sharp testing know a little more than you all do about safety, testament to this how expensive helmet makers have been defending many of their poor ratings and updating their new helmets to it).
So most £150-200 helmet have 2 shells the larger one being L XL XXL, so buying an L for £200 you still actually get an XXL shell just like the BX-2 with the same safety rating??
..and no I don't think this is anything like Chinese bikes. I asked for a slightly more expensive lid that is slimmer and still rated well, thats all, doesn't have to be quality (for the record I think the BX-2 doesn't have bad quality) doesn't need fancy vents or styling, and you're telling me about compromise and growing up?
Please spare me the bigotry and the speech about Chinese bikes, they'll be as shit as a CG because they are made by the same people.
| Quote: | Are you seriously still struggling with concept of getting what you pay for? When you charge that much for a helmet, you can afford to have multiple shell sizes, when you charge £20 for a lid, well christ alone knows what that pays for in terms of research and development, certainly not enough for me to trust my head inside of it. |
At my friends house there are two BX-2 helmets one M and one L, (I have said this before if you took the time to read), the outer shell of the M is smaller than the L despite you not reading and telling me that you are getting what you are paying for?
So it makes me think that the BX-2 are simply abnormally large helmets due to them being cheap and safe.
The bigotry about price = safety ends with the government Sharp test, if only there was a Sharp test for 125s would iron out the Chinese/Japanese UK bigotry out, and if you're in doubt there is an explanation of the tests on the SHARP site.
Can people please actually read, answer or discuss the matter at hand?
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| Digitalize wrote: | I don't think any full face helmet will not save you at legals speeds, you're basically paying the extra for good design, good aerodynamics, and good features.
Try on a £100 lid, even that will feel nicer. |
Why legal speeds? Depends on what your head finds to interact with on your way down the road, surely?
Tell you what, you put on a cheap ass lid, and then I'll fire a brick at your head at 70 miles an hour, see how you get on?
And no, not any fill face helmet will save you in any accident (even if we assume that in some way a crash had at legal speeds is considerably less dangerous (incidentally, would this include overtaking at legal speeds, but maybe over solid white lines?)) at legal speeds. Anyone believing this is spectacularly naïve.
Seriously, have a read up on Hammond's massive jet car crash. Dug his head into the ground at £200 odd mph and got away with it, there are some fairly interesting articles out there on how the specific design features of his (Arai if memory serves) helmet are the only reason he lived.
Of course some of the cash pays for the name and the paint scheme and there's an element of tartiness, but a lot also goes towards the research and development that the likes of Box simply couldn't afford to do.
As I said though, it's your head.
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| spetom wrote: | I think you should cool off.
Like I said I don't want to pay £400 for a helmet, (for the record I believe the government sharp testing know a little more than you all do about safety, testament to this how expensive helmet makers have been defending many of their poor ratings and updating their new helmets to it).
So most £150-200 helmet have 2 shells the larger one being L XL XXL, so buying an L for £200 you still actually get an XXL shell just like the BX-2 with the same safety rating??
..and no I don't think this is anything like Chinese bikes. I asked for a slightly more expensive lid that is slimmer and still rated well, thats all, doesn't have to be quality (for the record I think the BX-2 doesn't have bad quality) doesn't need fancy vents or styling, and you're telling me about compromise and growing up?
Please spare me the bigotry and the speech about Chinese bikes, they'll be as shit as a CG because they are made by the same people.
Can people please actually read, answer or discuss the matter at hand? |
Just as a start, I'm not bigoted, nor do I need to 'cool off.'
The reason I said you need to grow up is that you're unwilling to accept the facts or to comprimise. I know what you're asking for, and I'm saying that in your price band you'll struggle to find something like that unless it's been comprimised at some point along the line.
And I'm sorry, as someone who has to deal with the consequences of the Government's obsession with health and safety in the workplace, I would say that they most certainly should not be trusted to make any sort of decision without just flapping their arms and deciding on taking whatever action makes it look like they're actually taking action, with little or no thought as to the effects and consequences, so long as it looks like they're doing something.
As for why the manufacturers are flapping and being concerned by these ratings, it's because they've a hard earned reputation to protect, and they know that a large part of the market will see these ratings and assume them to be an absolute and conclusive truth.
Still your head, still your choice.
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| spetom wrote: | At my friends house there are two BX-2 helmets one M and one L, (I have said this before if you took the time to read), the outer shell of the M is smaller than the L despite you not reading and telling me that you are getting what you are paying for?
So it makes me think that the BX-2 are simply abnormally large helmets due to them being cheap and safe.
The bigotry about price = safety ends with the government Sharp test, if only there was a Sharp test for 125s would iron out the Chinese/Japanese UK bigotry out, and if you're in doubt there is an explanation of the tests on the SHARP site.
Can people please actually read, answer or discuss the matter at hand? |
The reason I didn't address this issue is because I have no answer for it. At a best guess, were they produced at the same time? One may be a facelift model, even if the only difference came in shell sizing?
I was responding to you seeming frustrated that cheaper helmets didn't have as many shell size options as the less keenly priced ones. That was it.
And what exactly is pathetic about saying it's your head? It is your head, put it in what you wan(, and I'll do the same with mine.
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Like I said I don't want to pay £400 for a helmet
..and no I don't think this is anything like Chinese bikes. I asked for a slightly more expensive lid that is slimmer and still rated well, thats all, doesn't have to be quality (for the record I think the BX-2 doesn't have bad quality) doesn't need fancy vents or styling, and you're telling me about compromise and growing up?
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the basic fact of the matter is, if you want a slimmer lid. or a lid that is actuarly the size of what you expect. then you will have to spend alot of money and get a decent quality one.
because as people haev said like 6 times now. cheap ones dont have multiple shell sizes, to get one with a better fitting shell size you need to spend money.
i dread to think what the quality of a £20 lid is. the cheapest one i had was £50 and i thought it was lovely. untill i put a decent one on and realised how horrendously bad it was. if it costs BELL more to MAKE not SELL the visor for my helmet, than some peoples helmets then i do not want to think what its made out of.... butter maybe? god knows, but it cant be good.
as for sharp ratings. granted that yes they will test it in all sort of ways. i have no idea how they end up with there rating system because if £20 helmets where the absolute safest there is, then at least 1 bike racer in the world would wear one. the fact is, they dont. i personally think sharp ratings are a waste of time, if i were you i would just ignore them. all helmets meet a standard, end of.
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I forgot to mention if you still insist on going by Sharp rating and don't want to spend much then take a look at Marushin Helmets which are decent quality and have full stars, they cost about £100 upwards. I have one myself but will be moving to an AGV hopefully
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