Hey guys new guy

[Prydox]

Hello all from my title iam a new biker .. well havnt done my cbt yet as i still thinking about it iam 19 male live in the eastmidlands have no-idea about motorcycles or anything but the whole bike idea is to get to and from work. If you could help me with some questions i have if thats ok you might of heard it all before but here it goes.



#1, Insurence what should i expect to pay as iam 19, 20 in march and what sort of insurence to get.

#2, CBT yes iknow there are other test to do but this is fine with me for a year or two to get use to the whole biking experience then moe on to "bigger bikes" is this a good idea to start at cbt then work my way up when i feel more confident in my self ect.

#3, THE RIGHT BIKE as i said at the start i have no idea about bikes at all, Iknow that i have to start at 50cc upto 125cc thats about it but i want to get to learn the ride a gear'd bike then just a rev and go if thats what you call them, Also is it better to get a used bike then a brand new one as i have read somewhere that its better on insurence or somthing or other.

#4, Thank you for looking and maybe posting

[N cee thirty]

aupp

1.don't hav a heart attack but the insurance is pretty cheap,on a bike like a honda cg,its about £150 for me at 18.

2.yeh go do your cbt and just enjoy riding,see if you like it enough to go on to do your full test.

3.might aswell start on a 125,depends how much you've got to spend
i'd get a yamaha ybr tbh
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[Prydox]

Hey thanks iam not to worried about insurence but i would like to know what to pay if that makes sence

Tbh i dont have a clue on what to get or look at i would like a Derbi only because of the look of it i like the sporty look but iknow there are alot more sporty bikes maybe even better looking. But also like the crusier/low rider look to so i think its going to be a long shopping day.

But anyway thankyou

[pinkyfloyd]

Welcome to the forum and I agree with Rob.

No point going for anything less than a 125 as a first bike at your age. You can use it cheaply and get through your test on it.

Do the CBT if you take to it then get yourself a bike and some decent experience. Feel free to ask any questions or worries here and I'm sure theres a shed load of us that will happily point you in the right direction.
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[Prydox]

[N cee thirty]

you'll probs have to scrap the idea of having a nice looking bike and it being cheap,chavs also like to take nice looking bikes for a joy ride


have a look at honda cg's/yamaha ybrs/suzuki en's
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[whitedevil]

Your cbt will probably be on a cg125, if you like it buy one, if not go to a dealer and try a few. If you're tall you'll probably be more comfortable on a dirt bike as they have a high seat height.

[Teflon-Mike]

You wouldn't expect to jump in a car and be let loose on the roads, on your own, unsupervised before you pass a test... why do you think its such a good idea to do just that on a bike, which, as an under 25 year old make, is about twenty to fifty times more likely to kill you?

Hmmm.... let that sink in a second......

Its a PRIVILIDGE to ride a motorcycle on L-Plates, one afforded in order that one may practice riding, because unlike car drivers, you cant have a qualified rider beside you supervising....

If you want to ride a bike, PLAN on getting a licence FIRST.

Start with a training course, CBT is compulsary BASIC training, it is NOT a test, and six hours of training for complete newbies will NOT make you a safe competent rider like magic, especially as it only included two hours of rider training on the road, its about the equivilent of your first Driving lesson... THAT is all... and you wouldn't expect that to make you good enough to be let loose in a car on your own, would you?

It is a good way to learn, getting a 125 and riding it on L's between lessons, BUT, your aproach should be to get trained, practice and pass your tests, nothing more.

Tests cost about £130, in total, training %75ish for CBT and aboyt £150 for a course of six or so two hour sessions of Road-Training.

Every hour of road training you do at the very beginning, learning to do stuff 'right' from the very start, drops the odds of you hurting yourself before passing you test, and each hour of training at the very beginning is worth about a DAY of training to unlearn you bad habbits and get over the phobias aquired in 18months of going it alone, before test.

As for bikes, you can have anything that takes your fancy.... AFTER you have passed a test to ride it!

Here and now, what you need is a training tool to help you get a licence, and the answer to that one is a humble 125 commuter bike, a Honda CG125, CBF125 or a Yamaha YBR125, as new and as good as you can afford, becouse most old learner bikes have been thrashed and abused and neglected by a succession fo numpty newbies that dont know how to ride them or look after them, and last thing you need to build your confidence as a rider, is a shit-heap old bike under you, wobbling about on its own account, as well as your clumsy antics tryng to master the clutch and gears and not fall off finding the indicators at the same time!

Insurance, minimum legal requirement is third-party.

Third Party Fire & Theft is useful in giving you some money back if the bike gets nicked or burned out. But if the bikes significantly cheap, or you have to takle a very high policy excess, then may not be worth it, as you may get very little back for a claim, and loss of No-Claims bonus and natural premium hike from having to declare a claim they'll probably ask you for more than they gave you when you go to get another policy.....

Fully Comprehensive, covers any damage to the bike, so if you fall off it and smash it up, then the insurance company will pay for most of the damage, rather than you having to fork out for it from your own pocket. Usually very expensive, its normally only worth it on high value bikes, but even then, claiming may cost you more in the long run than they give you...

So needs careful thought, and consideration, and all depends on what bike you get and how much its worth.

Here and now, DONT buy a bike, book a CBT course with bike hire, and see fi you like it and can do it.... take advice of instructors to heart, and THEN if you want to take it further, eithe rcomplete training on schoolbike to test, or get your own 125, to practice on between lessons..... and keep after.... as cheap commuter.... or trade in for bigger more exiting, more posey bike!

From CBT to full licence, REASONABLY can be done in six to twelve weeks.... is it REALLY worth buying a 125 for that length of time?

Possibly, as saves hire fees and allows more practice.... but pick a CG or TBR and you can probably sell it on immedietly after test for what you paid, and a 250 or 500 road bike can be as cheap to buy and run, and a heck of a lot more useful, as well as geerally more dependable.

Riding about on 125 on L's for teh sake of is a really bad idea, and you probably wont be able to do it for very long anyway....

Year after next a new stepped licence comes in. At the moment, pass your test you get a full licence.

In two years time, you pass your test, you get a 'restricted' licence, and if you want to get a full licence, you have to wait two years and then do the test again on a bigger bike.

So doing your test NOW straight away, you'll only EVER have to do it ONCE.

And done dusted passed and out the way, as a 19 year old, you will get a licence limited to 33bhp bikes for two years from pass date.... ride about on a 125 on a FULL licence rather than CBT and that 33bhp restriction is expiring, not a CBT certificate that's only good for two years...

Do CBT now and wobbly about for however long on a 125 thinking about possibly doing your test, you may as well paint a target on your helmet and carry a placard saying 'knock me off'!

And in a years time, when your insurance and tax and MOT renewals come in, the papers will be full of scare stories about the new stepped licence system, as they firm up the wording of the legislation and it actually goes to parliment to be written into law, and EVERY CBT L-plater will start thinking the same thing "Oh Dear, better get my test booked or I'll only get a restricted licence and have to do it all twice"

At the moment, depending on where you are, test apointment waiting lists are about three weeks. As the season starts they always go up, and last year, around March they started going up to around a month, increasing to six to eight weeks, at the hight of the season, though sometimes ten to twelve in some places.

You can expect that this tim enext year, the tree week average waiting list will be double, and at the hight of teh season tripple what it was last year.... as more people rush to get licences, and more people, unprepared, fail the tests, putting pressure on the DSA not just for test apointments for more candidates, but more candidates doing more tests.....

If you are LUCKY waiting until next year, you may get a test apointments before your CBT cert expires, and if you are VERY lucky you may pass it.....

So, the risk is, if you leave it late, before thinking about doing tests, you wont get them before new licence laws are introduced. You'll have to fork out to repeat CBT JUST to keep riding a 125, THEN you will have to fork out to do the tests, and for the expense and effort only get 'half' a licence...

Your call, and it IS a quirk of timing, but you have been given the heads up.

If you want to be safe on a bike, get trained, get a licence FIRST. Thats a fundemental truth.

And at the MOMENT there's even more incentive, becouse getting that licence now, means you get the full thing, and not a half licence for your money, and in two years time, will be able to have almost any bike you want, rather than looking at pottentially haveing to repeat chunks, and do all the work for half the reward.

Meanwhile read this on my Webby:- Recommend Me a First Bike

I'm 'just' old enough to remember the introduction of the 125 Learner laws, and just for note, thats exactly what happened then, vis test appointments.

And, those laws were designed to stop the 'perpetual-learners' riding about forever on L-Plates.... the 'repeat CBT' has allowed that to re-occur, and as more people are doing it, the same old problems are coming back of HUGE L-Plate accident statistics, and after the stepped licence comes in, designed to prevent DAS riders jumping straight onto hi-po 600's that currently put a big spike in the fetality stats, they'll look at the next big hit, which will be the perpetual learners, and they will scrap the repeat CBT system, and you will HAVE to pass a test.

I also suspect that they will try and force it to scrap unsupervised L's altogether, and it will be like a car licence, you will ONLY be allowed out on the road on a 125 supervised by an instructor, until qualified, and at that point it will become a 3 tier system, the first test only qualifiying you to ride a 125, for two years, the equivilent of the current A1 licence, then two years after getting that, you'll be allowed to do the tests again for to get the equivilent of the current A2 licence, that restrictes you to 33bhp bikes for two years, and by the intended legislation of 2013, will remain restricted indefinitely. And if you take that, two years after you can do the whole lot again for a full unrestricted licence.... but thats only MY suspicion of how it will be suggested.

But, pretty sure they will do something after the current intended stepped system is introduced, and after that, yes, the unsupervised learner will be the focus of attension, and the days of the unsupervised and pottentially perpetual Learner will be numbered.......
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[clancy]

a honda varadero or CG. or a yamaha YBR or something similar would all be a good choice, will be cheap, cheap to insure, fairly nippy and a joy to ride


i really wouldnt buy a brand new bike mate, the depresiation ( or however you spell it ) on new small bikes is horrible. you can get some really nice second hand bikes for pennies which is also a good choice if your going to sell it in a few years time anyway
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KLX 300r

[Prydox]

Right got it guys thank you very much for the help. iam going with cheap bike to get use to riding a motorbike for the momment untill iam ready to move on. When iam looking for the right bike after my test Teflon-Mike iam taking a Mechanic to look at the bikes with me to see if they are what they say they are if your following me just to be on the safe side as i'll prob buy the fist thing i see. Also iam about 5'9 what would you recomend for a bike if you dont mind me asking ?.

[clancy]

a CG or YBR would be fine, not sure what the ride height is on a varadero to be honest. supermoto style bikes have higher ride heights in general. what sort of bike are you looking for ?
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[Prydox]

[clancy]

youll be fine on all of them id personally recomend the YBR, iv known endless amounts of people have rs125s and they all had horrendous problems
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[N cee thirty]

ybr ftw

the rs is nice,but for some reason they always seize lol :/
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Jewlio Iglesias wrote: I actually did vote BNP once

[Prydox]

Cheers well iam off now got work in the moring might get on the phone in the net few weeks and try and book a CBT if i can get some time off work but thanks alot for the help

[clancy]

[Prydox]

Yeah it does i have them days off thank god just going to have to cut back on the exotic pets alittle bit i think and if your thinking exotic animals i mean snakes lizards mammals and ect

anyway bye

[Teflon-Mike]

[N cee thirty]

+1 on not buying a epic cheap bike,my cg was 500

but still a shitter and ended up probs spending over a grand on it ¬_¬
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Jewlio Iglesias wrote: I actually did vote BNP once

[Teflon-Mike]

[N cee thirty]

it probably paid for itself in the summer when i did some work and it toke me 60 miles round trip each day so anything i sell it for is just a bonus and i'll probs just get a new lid.


lol nahh my balls arn't that big enough to take up racing.. yet
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Jewlio Iglesias wrote: I actually did vote BNP once

[Teflon-Mike]