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You need to do a Moped Practical Test (Catergory P i think?)
It's pointless though, may as well just wait til next year then do your A2 license then when you've had that for two years you can ride any size bike! 
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A 50 with two people on is just stupid. Unless you have unlimited funds and unlimited time on your hands, don't bother. Who the fuck wants to ride a 31mph machine and pay shit loads for the privilege? I'm presuming you'd have to take a motorcycle theory on top of the CBT and on top of the test fees, like a proper test?
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| Posted: 15:59 - 13 Feb 2011 Post subject: Re: No L plates at 16? |
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| SupDawg wrote: | I read somewhere that you can take a test where you dont need L plates and can carry a pillion at 16, is this true? if so what is the name of the license? ta. |
I haven't checked it out lately, but hey, GO FOR IT!
It's not a complete waste of time.... it is a bit of an expensive irrelevance when waiting for 12 months you can do motorcycle or car tests, but what the heck.
But, gives you a FULL UK Driving licence at the earliest opportunity, you can dump the L's and carry pillions.
But most of the benefits are 'unseen'. Ped-bio is plod-bait. They'll probably stop you JUST because you don't have an L-Plate, but showing a full licence, thier attitude to you will be very different to typical ped-bio, as fact you have a licence shows a level of responsibility, contientiouseness, diligence etc etc etc, above and beyond what's expected.
Will follow through to when you do your bike or car tests too, and showing a Full UK licence, the way you 'present' will be as some-one 'seriouse' and 'responsible', they will view in more favourable light from the very off.
And it will be lifting you out of the purgatory of 'L'......
Soon as you are a qualified rider, you are NOT a know-nothing completely unqualified learner, looking for some-where to crash... full licence holder, (though still inexperienced) you'll be a few rungs up the ladder, and hopefully safer on the road, and more confident, knowing you are qualified....
And its not JUST the riding, but going through the whole test process..... you are young enough, and still used to 'learning', so its all experience of teh test process and learning, you are learning.... if that makes sense.... ie it makes it easy for you, and gives you a 'dry-run' for the later bike and car tests, which you'll be able to tackle with a lot more confidence knowing you have already done them once.....
Yeah, its unnecessary, its perhaps £120's worth of test fees for little technical gain..... but what the heck.... if you can afford them, the experience it gives, the confidence it'll provide, the 'feel-good factor' of having done it..... all worth the money.
I know people that do evening classes in anything and everything from pottery to painting and decorating, to plumbing and domestic electricity wiring....... most they have used it for is to paint thier living room, rewire a three pin plug or replace the leaky washer in the kitchen sinks tap..... but they did it, for the pleasure and the reward of getting a qualification at the end of it.....
Doing a moped test, may not have much practical reason, but the satisfaction of getting that licence may be enough, and to be honest, theres an AWFUL lot more good reason for it, going through the process, getting trained, getting tested, getting experience, that WILL help make you a better, safer rider....
If you have the incling, go for it, and don't pay heed to the knockers, that say there's NO point.... becouse there is, its merely a question of how highly you value it.
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| Posted: 16:33 - 13 Feb 2011 Post subject: |
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i wouldent ride i moped i waited to i was 17 to get a 125 peds are bloody dangerous things
ride in a disent position and a car will drive over as you going to slow
ride to the left and there run you off the road
leav em to the phsyco piza delivery boys lol
a peddel bike is safe and proberly quicker
i would not ride one then or now if someone payed me
let alone want to do it two up 
but if it makes you happy
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What a peculiar thing to do.
It appears that you'll have to do a motorcycle theory test (£31) - which will still be valid for your A2 test at 17 as well - then you do the same Mod1 (£15.50) and Mod2 (£75) tests as you would for any other license.
Your 'ped has to be no more than 50cc and no more than 50kph capable, so presumably there's no 50kph minimum speed tests on the Mod1. 
Basically you're blowing a minimum of £90 to get rid of the L plates and take a poppet on the back, but it's money down the drain as soon as you turn 17.
Personally I'd rather spend that £90 on protective gear, or put it in an A2 test kitty, but each to their own.
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I agree with Mike, go for it.
I did a moped test, mainly so that I could carry passengers, but there is more to it than that.
It definitely does give you some extra kudos with the cops (although you will get stopped quite a bit) and you will know what to expect when you come to do your bike test later.
Having said that, it was much easier and cheaper in my day (just a straight practical test, which I think was 15 quid) and I've never met anyone else who bothered with it, but I think it could be worth the effort.
Don't forget though, when you move up to a bigger bike, it's back to the L plates and no passengers.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Personally I'd rather spend that £90 on protective gear, or put it in an A2 test kitty, but each to their own. |
Protective gear is only worth anything if you crash..... don't crash, don't need protection.....
So in my mind, Training, and being tought the tricks of avoiding crashing is far more use than armouring yourself up to the eye-balls, merely for the crash not to hurt as much.....
It's about balence though, and both are useful, but the quids right at the beginning to learn the right way to do stuff, and engraine good habbits from the very start, and reduce risk of accident straight away, MUST be valuable.
Riding safely is a skill for life, that lasts a life time. £100 on training when the kids 16, is fifty years worth of protection.....
A £100 helmet is good for maybe five years and one crash......
Whats better value?
£90 of test fees to get the moped entitlement you would get doing teh same test on a 125 automatically, as well as granting motorcycle entlement, I'd agree is possibly not that great VFM, BUT, as said, many people dont pass first time and have to pay them fees over before they get thier licence. So its no great loss, and it should hugely improve his chances of passing full bike test, not just getting trained to test standard from the start, but turning up for 125 test, and impressing examiner from the outset, presenting a full UK licence...
And its more than just that, examiners are like a lot of instructors, training junkies, they get thier kicks from getting advanced riding qualifications, like power-rangers do getting tripple figure velocities and collect certificates with teh same glee that power-rangers collect worn out knee sliders.
Showing a test examiner a full moped licence, wont just say 'this kid has the right attitude'... it will, to a LOT of examiners, 'This kid has MY kind of attitude'.... of course can all come undone if he turned up in trackies and trainers, wearing his hat on the top of his head, and talking like a wannabee rapper.... but...presenting himself on a school CG, sensibly attired, and answing questions co-herently and inteligently.... examiner will be on his side looking for reasons to pass, rather than treasons to fail.....
£90? And you don't have to compromise training or kit to do it?
No, not entirely dead money.....
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| bikertomm wrote: | As much as this is true most of the time it's car drivers missing you or not paying full attention when pulling out a junction that can hurt/ kill you. |
1st please don't quote me so out of context, as quoted it implied I'm suggesting you dont need protection at all.... which I did not.
2nd, check the accident statistics.... SMIDSY, is I'm afraid FAR from 'main' reason bikers crash.
About half of reported bike accidents don't involve another vehicle.... And how many people actually report it if they fall off and there's no one to see?
So obviousely more than half of us dont need ANY help to fall off what so ever.
SMIDSY's represent only a proportion of bike accidents, I cant remember OTMH but I think its around a fifth to a quarter, and even in those an awful lot the biker is at least part to blame.
Excessive speed is the primary contributory factor but far to often they are over taking or filtering past junctions or simply not applying an apropriate level of hazard awareness and caution.
And even when you have the clear cut cases of SMIDSY collisions where the fault is entirely the car drivers fault, a lot are entirely avoidable had the biker applied better hazard perception, anticipation, and hazard avoidance.
There was a report on here recently of a SMIDSY by a car driver opening a car door on him... yes car drivers fault, but happens every day, and as a biker we CAN help save ourselves looking for people in parked cars likely to open thier bludy door on us and leaving a car doors width between ourselves and parked vehicles AS advice in highway code.....
I have been in the situation where I have been coming off a roundabout and seen a jeep waiting to pull out of a private drive, looked the driver right in the eye and STILL pulled out, THEN an emergency stop in the middle of the road, having 'just' realised what he was looking at!?!?!?!?...... and looked at me...
who, having applied some hazard perception, anticipation and hazard avoidance....
was sat stationary, feet on the floor taking the piss miming a tank comander with binoculars at him! (infantile I know, but I couldn't resist!)
Rather than being parked in his lap .... having had the presence NOT to presume that just becouse he had looked me in the eye, he wasn't going to pull out on me....
So, sorry but no... it is NOT always, or even often the blind car drivers to blame..... in actual fact it seldom is.
And WE as bikers heading out on the roads, KNOWING there are so many blind bludy drivers, should be riding to save ourselves....
YES there is always the chance that we'll come off through no fault of our own.... but its actually a MUCH smaller chance than many presume, we can do an awful lot to save ourselves , BEFORE we need to armor up...
Yes, very good reasons for protective riding gear, BUT of all the hazards we face on the road, the biggest risk we actually face is ourselves.....
First step to being safe out there is NOT donning armour and chanting incantations to lady luck, but recognising what the risks are, and doing something about them.... not sticking our head in the sand, hoping it snot us, and blaming the other guy if it happens....
I said its a balence, Suiting up will soften the blow of having an accident, wont stop you getting hurt, wont prevent you from having teh accident in the first place, its the last line of defence when all elce fails.
Your FIRST line of defence is knowing what's likely to hurt you... so you can try and avoid it....
Your second line of defence is hazard avoidance, and getting the fuck out the way of a hazard when you recognise it...
Safety gear is your LAST line of defence
For a learner, yup, very good reasons for suiting up, as you are far more likely to have an off than any-one else.
BUT, training first, know what to look for, know how to avoid it, THEN add protection for when you get it wrong.
And sorry, believing its nearly always the other guy, is wrong, and suggests your own hazard perception could do with a little work, because if you believe that thats SMIDSY's are the main thing to hurt you, you probably aren't looking hard enough at all the other hazards that are much more likely to hurt a biker!
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| Posted: 01:50 - 14 Feb 2011 Post subject: |
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About half of reported bike accidents don't involve another vehicle.... And how many people actually report it if they fall off and there's no one to see? |
Yes but how many of those are due to hooning around? If all bikers rode calmly and carefully and got from A to B in the manner that you do on test, accident rates such as those would PLUMMET.
I see your point, the training lasts a lifetime, but does a moped license which will be used for under a year really make that much difference? enough to warrant all that money? Presuming he goes on to do a full bike test, the extra skill gained from doing the moped test will only be valuable for a year or so, probably less, because you'd gain the same skills and pass the same test at 17 anyway, but it would then be useful and you have all of the privileges you'll ever need license wise, for ONE payment of test fees. Also, with my first point in mind, the extra training required to pass a test will NOT help your hooning skills, so therefore won't make much of a difference to safety in regards to the accident figures. If I'm honest, most of the skills I've picked up have been from the internet, my own experience and my own practice, not from my test training. Granted, this may not be the same for everybody, but it's certainly been the case for me.
At the end of the day, it's his own choice whether to bother, but by the sounds of it, he's already on CBT and already OTR. So by the time he gets a theory slot, then mod 1 and then mod 2, he's gonna be nearly 17 anyway. Add to that the infrequent use of pillion privileges and the tediously dangerously low power of a moped, mean that he'll probably only ever use it for pillion once, realise it's ridiculous and realise the hassle was pointless.
I'd also imagine the feeling of going from no L's BACK to L's once he gets a 125 would be pretty horrible. Especially when looking at all the cool things you could have put that money towards instead, like.... an A license.
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: |
And WE as bikers heading out on the roads, KNOWING there are so many blind bludy drivers, should be riding to save ourselves....
YES there is always the chance that we'll come off through no fault of our own.... but its actually a MUCH smaller chance than many presume, we can do an awful lot to save ourselves , BEFORE we need to armor up... |
Although I'd like to point out that I completely agree in every way shape and form with this point. WAY too many bikers are too quick to blame car drivers when in actual fact, if they'd have actually taken cagers' stupidity into account rather than just blindly bitching about it, they'd be riding away rather than sliding along the floor.
It's our responsibility as soon as we decide to ride, to use every ounce of common sense, perception, situational evaluation, forethought and caution to compensate for our vulnerability while on two wheels.
Took me ages to get through to my dad in the summer that I was better off going out without a jacket in sweltering heat because I just couldn't concentrate on the road if I was that hot. And it's better to avoid an accident than to prepare for it. Prevention is better than cure and all that jazz.
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| Posted: 13:10 - 14 Feb 2011 Post subject: |
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| Teflon-Mike wrote: | Protective gear is only worth anything if you crash..... don't crash, don't need protection.....
So in my mind, Training, and being tought the tricks of avoiding crashing is far more use than armouring yourself up to the eye-balls, merely for the crash not to hurt as much..... |
Counterpoint: training is worth nothing when you crash.
I actually agree with you: I think the CBT is still utterly inadequate for young riders, and there should be far more roadcraft training for people who don't already have a B or better full license, to explain to them how drivers think (or don't think) and where the danger lies.
But I'm aiming the advice at the poster. Follow the logic here.
He's 16, so money is tight. He's asked how to get a scooter license for practical purposes, not how to become a safer rider. At 16, you already know everything, right?
We know that the pedboi's traditional outfit is £20 lid, trainers and jeans, maybe a fashion leather jacket. And for young small capacity riders, collisions at urban junctions (hello, SMIDSYs) are the most common cause of KSIs, not single vehicle offs.
If I thought 'Dawg' here would be willing and able to spend on safety gear and training and a test, then I'd say do all 3. Gear (to wear while training, because you're not safe until you're trained, right?), then training, then (if and only if it still seems worthwhile) a ped test.
But I very much doubt that he's going to do that, or to be able to afford it. And I'd rather have him in protective gear now than have him ride in pedboi gear while he maybe does some training at some indeterminate point in the future.
I hope I'm wrong and Dawg gears up and gets training. Let's see,
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A point raised earlier was about mod 1 and the speed required. I can't find anything that lists any different mod 1 details for a moped (although there is an option to book separate bike and moped mod 1 tests).
It wouldn't surprise me if it slipped through the net that it isn't actually possible to do a moped mod 1 due to the speed required for the maneuves.
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Lots of 'accord' here, and I think we are all pretty much of a much on the matter, and basically doing a moped test just for the sake of, doesn't REALLY give you much for your money, BUT if you can afford it, does have a bit, in getting that full licence, the two year new driver probation counting down ASAP, and showing a 'contientiouse' and responsible attitude to the authorities that should be beneficial in encounters with the plod, and going on to do future tests.
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He's 16, so money is tight. He's asked how to get a scooter license for practical purposes, not how to become a safer rider. At 16, you already know everything, right?
We know that the pedboi's traditional outfit is £20 lid, trainers and jeans, maybe a fashion leather jacket. And for young small capacity riders, collisions at urban junctions (hello, SMIDSYs) are the most common cause of KSIs, not single vehicle offs.
If I thought 'Dawg' here would be willing and able to spend on safety gear and training and a test, then I'd say do all 3. Gear (to wear while training, because you're not safe until you're trained, right?), then training, then (if and only if it still seems worthwhile) a ped test.
But I very much doubt that he's going to do that, or to be able to afford it. And I'd rather have him in protective gear now than have him ride in pedboi gear while he maybe does some training at some indeterminate point in the future.
I hope I'm wrong and Dawg gears up and gets training. Let's see, |
Bit presumptiouse of you there Roger.... but.... yeah! Most ped-bois dont give us much cause to argue against it!
It is annoying though, we give peds so little 'respect', then wonder why ped-bio doesn't..... sort of self perpetuating... I try to give them a bit of credit, but Oh so often its bludy hard work...
But our Super-Dawg here..... he's showing promice.... lets give him a chance.
| SupDawg wrote: | I wont be carrying a pillion that much, only if me and my cousin decide to go to felixstowe in the summer or something, but i like my bikes to look tidy, hence not wanting L plates to be flapping around like a mudflap, and mike like you said, i also thought about if i was to present a full UK license the police's attitude might be a bit different towards me if they stop me at all, also im getting a derbi senda, not a rev and go. |
Derbi Senda, geared 50, so do your CBT on it, and that will be valid for your 125 test.... and you'd have to do it to ride anyway, and nothing stopping you tackling the Motorcycle Theory either, which likewise would still be valid for 125 in a years time.
L-Plates are not a negative styling aid, and idea of doing Moped test JUST to improve the style of your bike, is.... a bit crass, isn't it?
But, other ideas taken on board, and Rogers comments about typical ped-bio attitude and attire, and mine about training first....
Well, training is good, and every hour you do at the start is worth nearly a day a year or more down the line...... so tests asside, IF you can get onto a weekly training scheme, working towards test, puts you in a good place doesn't it?
Makes you a safer rider right now, and helps engraine all the good habbits that will help you pass a test, rathert than giving yourself a year to get into bad habbits you'll have to unlearn....
You could do that and not take tests for a moped, but waite a month of two until after your 17th brirthday and do them on a 125.
So going for your moped test, ahead of 125, is £88 for the Mod 2 & is it £18 for the Mod 1? Roughly £100 of 'additional' expense.
Taking Rogers comments to heed as to the value you get from that spend, and whether its worthwhile in the list of priorities... up to you to decide whether to go for it or not.
If you HAVE sorted basic riding gear, and have sorted training, to an adequete level, its not much more beyond, and if it deosn't impinge on other more important 'stuff' like making sure the bikes safe and legal, why not? Dry run for your 125 tests, and a big confidence boost when you pass.... and valued against X-Box games or a couple of nights on the razz..... something you have more to show for at the end of the day, and if it gives you that 'feel-good' factor, rather than a hang-over or game-brain... very possitive thing to do, I still say go for it... BUT stack it in the list of priorities.
But Kickstarts comment about the MOD 1 is valid. Personally I cant see they would have a licence catagory you cant pass a tests for, but, needs clarifying.
| Glenben92 wrote: | | Teflon-Mike wrote: | About half of reported bike accidents don't involve another vehicle.... And how many people actually report it if they fall off and there's no one to see? |
Yes but how many of those are due to hooning around? If all bikers rode calmly and carefully and got from A to B in the manner that you do on test, accident rates such as those would PLUMMET. |
The stats are compiled from 'reported' accidents which are ones to which emmergency services have been called or for which an insurance claim is made.
If the rider's not badly hurt, and the bikes not insured fully comp, I suspect that the 'reported' single vehicle accidents are a very small tip of a very large ice-burgh!
And 'hooning' does play a big part in that. Most of the reported SVI are hooning into trees, lamp-posts etc.
But a pretty big spike in the SVI stats is made up of crashes where the bike simply 'crashed', for no good reason. Usually traveling at or beneath the speed limit, on a reasonable road surface, with no mechanical fault to the machine...... ie 100% down to shear rider 'fuck-up' no 'hooning' involved! Its the basis of teh 'Target-Fixation' studies which were set up to look specifically at this phenomina.
Important thing to note about that one, is that just as we cant blame 'most' accidents on SMIDSY's, neither can we dismiss the single vehicle accidents on 'Hooners' riding like twats......
Learners fall off becouse they dont know what they are doing most of the time, but as we gain experience we 'naturalise' our riding, and we let the conciouse effort and thought we had to apply as a learner become second nature or raw 'reflex'.
As we do that we use less conciouse effort for actual riding. That means we have more 'spare' brain processing capacity to worry about riding technique and hazard awareness.....
Trouble is, riding experience conditions us, and as often as not, NOT getting into trouble, we start devolving hazard awareness into 'reflex' as well, or we start over-riding our hazard awareness, and re-prioratising stuff as more or less 'scary' rather than more or less risky.....
LEarner rides past row of parked cars, instructor just told him, 'passing parked cars we slow down, give a doors width and watch for people inside'... makes sense, he does as he's told....... gets engrained, loger he rides more cars he passes, leaving a car doors width, but ever so slightly not slowing down, and the more cars he passes, never a door opened on him, the less scary it becomes...... so the more he de-rates the 'risk'.... risk hasn't ATUALLY changed since day one.... but his experience has suggested it never happens, meanwhile, dodging SMIDSY's happens every day...... so he avoids all teh SMIDSY's gets cought out by the car door opening on him.......
Its that kind of thing, and what we need to do is not let familiarity breed contempt and keep our hazard percepton in line with the real risks not our perception of them, AND not let TOO much get devolved to 'relex' and actually THINK our riding......
That would actually keep us safer than riding like we did on our tests..... on test you ride to the book, but the book cant tell you how to deal with every bludy thing you may encounter on the road, only provide the IDEAS of how you might.......
| Glenben92 wrote: | I see your point, the training lasts a lifetime, but does a moped license which will be used for under a year really make that much difference? enough to warrant all that money? Presuming he goes on to do a full bike test, the extra skill gained from doing the moped test will only be valuable for a year or so, probably less, |
The tests and gaining the qualification entitling the lad to a full moped licence is only one part of it, and its £100's worth.... only HE can decide, rated against X-box or uner-age boozing, if ts worth it.
But the work to get himself to the standard, whether he takes the test or not..... ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.
He's 16, he's baby faced and still responsive to learning, and is a completely blank canvas, a sponge that can soak up everything stuck before him.
Left to his own devices, he'll soak up a mish-mash of right and wrong, good and bad, all tempered by his experience..... but with formal training, in something he's interested in, and that has some purpose, unlike aincient european history or comparative religion at school..... he gets put on the right track to instill doing it 'right' right from the start, and the references to udnderstand why stuff he picks up along the way is right or wrong, good or bad..
It may only be a year, but its a critical one. Its ALWAYS the start that is the most difficult part of anything.
And so, he's on a 50, its still a powered two wheeler, and in his case has gears, principles and practices re ALL the same, and some of it will actually be hardewr for him on a 50, putting him in better stead for it getting easier on bigger bikes...
I dont advocate 125'ers doing CBT then wobbling around a year before making up thier minds to do thier test, so I'm not going to advocate it for a 16 year old..... get it RIGHT from the start..... a good start is the key to a long and enjoyable riding carreer.... a not so good start may get you there too, but hey, more frought with danger, hassle and general unhapiness, and biking is supposed to be fun.
| Glenben92 wrote: | Also, with my first point in mind, the extra training required to pass a test will NOT help your hooning skills, so therefore won't make much of a difference to safety in regards to the accident figures. |
No, theres not a lot that will change rider attitude and its part of the stepped and restricted licence scheme I actually dont agree with. a year on a 50 teaches you little but the fact you have to ride everywhere with the throttle wound all the way open to get anywhere. Two years on a 125 teaches you.... you STILL need to ride everywhere pretty much with the throttle wound all the way open to get anwhere..... then two years on a 33bhp 500?!?!? Yup, you can ride around, pretty much like you did on a tiddler, on a big bike, throttle wound open to get anywhere....... so after being frustrated near to death, for five years, you go get a ZX6r..... and ride it everywhere with the throttle pegged open........
But, that's the system, and we are stuick with it for another two years when there will be another bludy impediment to frustrate the newbie and keep thier wings clipped......
However.... getting a good start, working with what we got, and aquiring a 'sensible' aproach... mentored by enough wisened crones to guide where you can 'get away' with a little hooning, and where you definitely cant.... stand a better chance of aquiring the 'right' attitude and having some better idea of wht to watch out for, how to survive and where and when you havre to dbe super-seriouse and where and when you can relax and have a bit of fun....
Engrained from the very start.
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