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The999Kid
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: 400 to 1100 Reply with quote

Too big a jump?

looking at a pan as my next bike as i do a shed load of miles around the uk visiting friends and relatives. currently own a yammy FZ400 import and looking to replace it with a proper tourer... but not too confident about the manual handling/walking the bike around/centre standing it

suggestions and ideas?
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You only go as fast as you twist the throttle.

Go for it dude, but if you are feeling intimidated by 1100 then go get a 600 or a 750 instead.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 400 to 1100 Reply with quote

The999Kid wrote:
Too big a jump?

looking at a pan as my next bike as i do a shed load of miles around the uk visiting friends and relatives. currently own a yammy FZ400 import and looking to replace it with a proper tourer... but not too confident about the manual handling/walking the bike around/centre standing it

suggestions and ideas?


If your worried about walking a pan around, see if you can find one in a dealer somewhere, see if the size/weight is an issue?

Otherwise maybe something slightly smaller? VFR?
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 400 to 1100 Reply with quote

bacon wrote:


If your worried about walking a pan around, see if you can find one in a dealer somewhere, see if the size/weight is an issue?

Otherwise maybe something slightly smaller? VFR?


i popped in to the local honda dealer to have a word about taking the demonstrators out for a ride but cos im under 25 id have to be accompanied by one of the sales team... which means id have to be actually interested in buying it there and then.. as like a seal the deal kind of ride...

they have open days but dont know when they are this year...
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 400 to 1100 Reply with quote

The999Kid wrote:
bacon wrote:


If your worried about walking a pan around, see if you can find one in a dealer somewhere, see if the size/weight is an issue?

Otherwise maybe something slightly smaller? VFR?


i popped in to the local honda dealer to have a word about taking the demonstrators out for a ride but cos im under 25 id have to be accompanied by one of the sales team... which means id have to be actually interested in buying it there and then.. as like a seal the deal kind of ride...

they have open days but dont know when they are this year...



Well, thats not what i got told from a Honda dealer. they happily let me take a CBR600, CB1000R, and this my Aprilia for a test. It just comes down to your intrest.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: 400 to 1100 Reply with quote

Blackwolf wrote:
The999Kid wrote:


i popped in to the local honda dealer to have a word about taking the demonstrators out for a ride but cos im under 25 id have to be accompanied by one of the sales team... which means id have to be actually interested in buying it there and then.. as like a seal the deal kind of ride...

they have open days but dont know when they are this year...


yeah, i was told that because id be taking up 90 mins ish of their sales guy/girls time that id have to be really interested in buying one...

otherwise i have to wait for the open days where its basically a free for all on test rides where i can do as many rides as i like that day..

Well, thats not what i got told from a Honda dealer. they happily let me take a CBR600, CB1000R, and this my Aprilia for a test. It just comes down to your intrest.


yeah, i was told i'd have to be interested in actually buying a pan within a few days of riding the demo for them to allow me to take it out say this week..

otherwise i have to wait for the open days which are basically a free for all on test rides..
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got an 1100 pan, dont be put off by the physical size of it, or the engine size, as it is a lot more forgiving than you would expect.
i find this bike just as eay to push around as i did my zxr750, and once your on the move, the weight just dissapears, its such a well balanced bike.
the engine is big but not hugely powerful, and it is very torquey, but smooth with it. you just ride along on a wave, but it does have the shove there when you open it up.
getting it onto the centre stand is so easy, they designed in a handle next to the seat that you pull out and lift up as you stand on the centre stand.
and dont worry about dropping one too much as they have built in crash bars that stop any body work touching the ground in a drop. once you have the right technique they are fairly easy to lift back up too, i have personal experience of this! lol
if you can get test ride on one, try to do at least 100 miles, as i think you need that sort of distance to really get into the feel of the bike.
if your anywhere near the south midlands, drop me a pm if you fancy a spin on mine.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

dansrockin wrote:
ive got an 1100 pan, dont be put off by the physical size of it, or the engine size, as it is a lot more forgiving than you would expect.
i find this bike just as eay to push around as i did my zxr750, and once your on the move, the weight just dissapears, its such a well balanced bike.
the engine is big but not hugely powerful, and it is very torquey, but smooth with it. you just ride along on a wave, but it does have the shove there when you open it up.
getting it onto the centre stand is so easy, they designed in a handle next to the seat that you pull out and lift up as you stand on the centre stand.
and dont worry about dropping one too much as they have built in crash bars that stop any body work touching the ground in a drop. once you have the right technique they are fairly easy to lift back up too, i have personal experience of this! lol
if you can get test ride on one, try to do at least 100 miles, as i think you need that sort of distance to really get into the feel of the bike.
if your anywhere near the south midlands, drop me a pm if you fancy a spin on mine.
dan


its not so mucht the size that worries me... its the manual handling of it all... ive sat on BMW R1200s and they feel really comfy... its just that i dont feel at all confident putting large bikes on and off Centre stand because i almost dropped the last one i tried and that was a Vstrom 650 in a suzuki showroom...

would hate to drop a showroom pan... id hear my bank account suddenly empty as it hit the floor!
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
You only go as fast as you twist the throttle.


Not always true.

As for an older pan, i've not got any experience with them but my zzr and futura were no harder than to get on the centrestand than my GS500 and the various 125s I learnt on. Plus it's a big soft lazily tuned Honda motor so it's certainly not going to be a handful to ride Thumbs Up

*edit* whoops, meant centrestand not sidestand Confused
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The999Kid wrote:
dansrockin wrote:
ive got an 1100 pan, dont be put off by the physical size of it, or the engine size, as it is a lot more forgiving than you would expect.
i find this bike just as eay to push around as i did my zxr750, and once your on the move, the weight just dissapears, its such a well balanced bike.
the engine is big but not hugely powerful, and it is very torquey, but smooth with it. you just ride along on a wave, but it does have the shove there when you open it up.
getting it onto the centre stand is so easy, they designed in a handle next to the seat that you pull out and lift up as you stand on the centre stand.
and dont worry about dropping one too much as they have built in crash bars that stop any body work touching the ground in a drop. once you have the right technique they are fairly easy to lift back up too, i have personal experience of this! lol
if you can get test ride on one, try to do at least 100 miles, as i think you need that sort of distance to really get into the feel of the bike.
if your anywhere near the south midlands, drop me a pm if you fancy a spin on mine.
dan


its not so mucht the size that worries me... its the manual handling of it all... ive sat on BMW R1200s and they feel really comfy... its just that i dont feel at all confident putting large bikes on and off Centre stand because i almost dropped the last one i tried and that was a Vstrom 650 in a suzuki showroom...

would hate to drop a showroom pan... id hear my bank account suddenly empty as it hit the floor!

like i said, they are such a well balanced bike, its easy to lug around. someone i work with has a bt1100 bulldog, that weighs a lot less than a pan, but i find it a lot harder to manhandle and push around. i tend to sit on the bike when i take it off the centre stand just for my own peace of mind, but they are just as easy as any other bike to do it with.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a big leap in cc's, and shear 'bulk', but the Pans a pretty well balenced bike, but its one of those things. Old CX500 'silver-Wing' despite being half the cubic capacity and two thirds the weight was a bit of a pig to man-handle, on the olther hand, GL1100 with all the extra weight wasn't anywhere near so cumbersome..... I say SO cumbersome, to those about to jump on the comment!
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

To give you an idea...

The first bike I ever rode, before a 50cc, before anything engined with two wheels was my Dad's ST1100 Pan-European.

I was 15 then and had no trouble controlling it, riding it or any issues whatsoever.

The only issue I had was centre-standing it, but I was fairly young then! Walking it around really is no issue for a grown man.

As Dansrockin said, they have built-in crash bars and when you start moving they are just as light as any other bike on the road, something like a 600 sports will not get away from a Pan if it's ridden properly.

I can highly recommend one and I will be buying an ST1100/ST1300 myself in the very near future, for sure.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just gone from a 125 to a V-Strom. First day I could hardly move the thing. Second day was better. Third day, sorted - no problem at all. Moving it about without any issues, seems so easy now. So it's just a question of getting used to it (and I'm an old fart with a bad leg). Go for it!
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 16 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed with that, I've always found sports bikes to be horrors to wheel around, whereas taller stuff like my XJR or old Futura were actually pretty easy.
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 18 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took a jolly up to the local honda dealer today and sat on a few bikes...

ST1300 - really hides its weight well... and comfy riding position, me likey! cant wait to take the demonstrator out...

BMW K1200GT - heavier than the pan to shift more cramped leg position but lots of gizmos...

CB1000F - lightest bike of the ones i sat on... but i felt the bars were too narrow...

VFR1200F - too much of a 'head down, arse up' bike for my liking... decent stylings though Smile
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 18 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

the newer VFR750 sport tourers? they are real nice bikes
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