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cb1rocket
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 22 Feb 2011    Post subject: 6v to 12v conversion GP100 Reply with quote

Hello all

Yes another subject on this little GP100, and before you start saying its not worth it and all that - well I want to!

Am I right in saying that with a 6v grenny, and direct lighting, then the genny is just 6v AC and up to 2.8 amps. According to the book. So am I right in thinking its not the usual high voltage (30ish volts) AC genny? Seeing as that is only found on bikes where all power is from the battery. If that was direct lighting then the bulbs would obviously blow i imagine?

So my idea was for 12v on all lights but keeping the 6v ignition setup and 6 volt poxy horn from using a dual battery setup?
ie two 6v batteries together while connected to the genny in parallel and the lighting circuit and such connected in series to the battery. The ignition is self excited and is seperate to the charging system.

Any thoughts, good or bad welcome.

Afterall i could run for a HID system if possible, but really a better 35 watt bulb or depending on what the system can cope with
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PostPosted: 00:15 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you connect two 6v batteries in parallel you just end up with a much bigger 6v battery...and having them already connected like that you can't run anything through them as though they were connected in series.
The only practical way to get 12v from a 6v supply is to use a dc inverter circuit but these may only be about 75% efficient. The result is a 6v 2A supply for example will only give about 800mA at 12v...hardly enough to light a torch let alone a headlight!
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

trisers wrote:
If you connect two 6v batteries in parallel you just end up with a much bigger 6v battery...and having them already connected like that you can't run anything through them as though they were connected in series.
The only practical way to get 12v from a 6v supply is to use a dc inverter circuit but these may only be about 75% efficient. The result is a 6v 2A supply for example will only give about 800mA at 12v...hardly enough to light a torch let alone a headlight!


which is why i said two 6v, which when connected in series will give 12v. But for the genny to charge it, it must be connected in parallel to the genny wiring as its only 6v.......
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

cb1rocket wrote:
trisers wrote:
If you connect two 6v batteries in parallel you just end up with a much bigger 6v battery...and having them already connected like that you can't run anything through them as though they were connected in series.
The only practical way to get 12v from a 6v supply is to use a dc inverter circuit but these may only be about 75% efficient. The result is a 6v 2A supply for example will only give about 800mA at 12v...hardly enough to light a torch let alone a headlight!


which is why i said two 6v, which when connected in series will give 12v. But for the genny to charge it, it must be connected in parallel to the genny wiring as its only 6v.......


Exactly so, my point is while the bike is running the genny is charging two batteries connected in parallel, which means they cannot be connected in series to power any 12v stuff at the same time!
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, I just sat down with some scrap paper and drew out a circuit diagram and was like 'oh bollocks"!

So my other option would be to rewind the stator for 12v somehow.......... alot of classic bikes are done this way. I know a website that says about the BSA with Lucas genny that as it has 3 coils you can connect two of them together to give 12v.

Mine only has two, sodding hell........rewind then, I need some electrical boffins here.........
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose in theory you could with some fancy electronics connect two batteries in series and have the genny charge one at a time but i very much doubt it could keep up with the power drain flowing from both batteries together...either your lights go out or you burn out the genny...
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks blue, just have to look on egay for some. Already watching 2 GP100 gennies to muck around with.

That site looks impressive I must say
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