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PostPosted: 21:46 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: As the unrest continues to spread... Reply with quote

I can't help feeling a little uneasy about the whole thing. I'm unsure as to whether this really is a grass-roots insurgence of truth, freedom and liberty as we are being told - do sudden eruptions of a populace's values and demonstrating really happen without provocation?
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly do you want to happen?
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: As the unrest continues to spread... Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I can't help feeling a little uneasy about the whole thing. I'm unsure as to whether this really is a grass-roots insurgence of truth, freedom and liberty as we are being told - do sudden eruptions of a populace's values and demonstrating really happen without provocation?




Theres no freedom about the triumph of Islamism that these uprisings could bring, If hardline islamic goverments get in like Iran in 1979 you can expect far worst totalitarian repression than before.


Large scale Democracy in the middle east, no chance.
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PostPosted: 22:53 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There doesn't seem to be much of an upsurge in hardcore Islamists though does there?
It seems to be an uprising led by westernised facebook generation youth.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 21 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
There doesn't seem to be much of an upsurge in hardcore Islamists though does there?
It seems to be an uprising led by westernised facebook generation youth.



Who are a urban minority splashed about the news by the western media, when it comes to groups or individuals gaining power its going to be by the common people who dont have wealth and education but who are mindless sheep.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 22 Feb 2011    Post subject: Re: As the unrest continues to spread... Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I can't help feeling a little uneasy about the whole thing. I'm unsure as to whether this really is a grass-roots insurgence of truth, freedom and liberty as we are being told - do sudden eruptions of a populace's values and demonstrating really happen without provocation?


In Libya it looks like aspirational students. Tarpley calls them the Autistic Twitter Generation.

I wouldn't be surprised at a US/NATO "intervention" in Libya. The Pentagon's been itching for the real thing for years, and the military in Libya looks fragmented, which makes it a target ripe for the plucking. A pity there's no US students in there, a la Grenada. I can see some Pentagon brass yelling, "Go find me some! And if you can't find em, make em up" A Wall Street compliant puppet in Tripoli would be the aim, instead of the current passive fruit cake.

A few more of these and an all out strike on Iran will be on the cards, since any regional opposition will have been eliminated or neutralised.

Obama hasn't got long left in the Whitehouse, and we'll have the neocon "crazies" back in business. And if the SCO want to object in force, the neocons will be more than happy to give em WWIII. They'll all be raptured anyway, and what better way to go out than in a rain of a few thousands Kilotons of plutonium goodness.

So what's the bets for 2012, economic collapse or WWIII? It's all good Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 22 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

One could entertain one's ignorance, or face the facts: excess unemployment, no future prospects of growth, peak oil in SA.

WW3

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PostPosted: 19:49 - 22 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gaddafi claims he hasn't ordered any of the slaughters and that the Western powers are ousting him in a coup.

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PostPosted: 03:13 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Gaddafi claims he hasn't ordered any of the slaughters and that the Western powers are ousting him in a coup.

Thinking


Its the typical financing and influencing both sides of the battle. It happened in WW1 and WW2, Western powers even armed the Taliban and Saddam before they went to war on them. Insane how people can overlook that. Tunisia and Egypt both smelled of foreign involvement (Just look into their new leaders), so I wouldn't be surprised if present and future revolutions have their sneaky hand in there somewhere aswell.

This is all heading in one direction. The pieces are being put in place to stage Israel's war in the middle east (WW3). Anyone with a thinking brain can see that one coming.
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PostPosted: 03:48 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Israel's war against who? Israel wouldn't last 5 minutes, if it went to war now it'd still fall before any of it's allies came to help. I'm not convinced this is any giant US conspiracy, even if one of the countries was then surely they thought it might cascade or maybe they didn't think it would, seems a dangerous and uncertain gamble to make for an unclear goal. I cannot see US or UK getting involved in any more occupations of unstable countries, two were unpopular enough and occupations don't make friends.

I think WW3 is a little way off yet too, no doubt it's coming, I don't believe peace can ever last long but I think it can survive a little longer.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Phoenix"]Israel wouldn't last 5 minutes, if it went to war now it'd still fall before any of it's allies came to help.quote]


Nonsense, Israel have one of the largest armoured corps in the world with a highly trained professional modern military. A combined attack by neigbouring arab states failed before and would fail again with the added issue that if they were overrun which is very unlikey they would use there nuclear arsenal without hesitation (WW3?).
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Israel's war against who? Israel wouldn't last 5 minutes, if it went to war now it'd still fall before any of it's allies came to help. I'm not convinced this is any giant US conspiracy, even if one of the countries was then surely they thought it might cascade or maybe they didn't think it would, seems a dangerous and uncertain gamble to make for an unclear goal. I cannot see US or UK getting involved in any more occupations of unstable countries, two were unpopular enough and occupations don't make friends.

I think WW3 is a little way off yet too, no doubt it's coming, I don't believe peace can ever last long but I think it can survive a little longer.


I wouldn't be convinced either, but then I read about it in books and documents published almost 100 years, claiming these exact circumstances to occur in a third world war. A Coincidence? A Prediction? A Plan? You pick whatever helps you sleep better at night.

Vietnam wasn't just or popular either, yet it still happened and not enough learned from it to stop Iraq happening. The truth is, If the people in charge really want to start a war, all they have to do is play up some events in the media, whether true or false and we end up in a dragged out bloody affair that never justifies going to it in the first place. You not see the pattern since WW1?

Take whats happening in Pakistan, nobody ever talks about it, but there has been more and more bombs going off everywhere since 2000. There is no civil war or unrest, or any sort of just cause for Muslims to be blowing up Muslims. Apparently the Taliban take blame for some of them, everyone fails to see the motive though. Even the state TV, when interviewing people or holding talk shows, EVERYBODY claims 'foreign involvement' and blatant destabilization, yet people overlook it, and you see no sign of a prominent cascade.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nonsense, Israel have one of the largest armoured corps in the world with a highly trained professional modern military. A combined attack by neigbouring arab states failed before and would fail again with the added issue that if they were overrun which is very unlikey they would use there nuclear arsenal without hesitation (WW3?).


It's not just about numbers though, fighting on all fronts is rather difficult, back in 1948 it's opposition was in a much worse military state of organisation and armament than it is now. Thing with those countries is their official military statistics are somewhat deceptive, most of the population is a somewhat trained military reserve, Iran's official military statistics look lame but if it went to war I suspect it would look a little different.

Maybe Israel would win or hold them off long enough for everyone else to join in, only takes one nutjob to drop a nuke on Israel though and it's game over. Wouldn't necessarily mean WW3 though, could quite as easily all stop as soon as the first one falls when people realise that there will be no winners if everyone pushes the button. I've no doubt before my life is over we'll be dragged into another massive war whether we like it or not, conscription included.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only real problem Israel has is Iran. They are the supply source to the Palestinians and Hezbollah. Egypt is unlikely to make any major trouble at the moment, and Syria will be looking internally to make sure it's not the next victim of a people power coup.

And if Israel was under any serious threat, that $3 billion of US military aid just cant handle, then they can always call on the strategic reserve they've got via Washington DC. That's what AIPAC and JINSA are for.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If there is WW3 we will be lucky if it lasts a day.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023790698427111488#

This is a good nuclear war drama, it's pretty ancient but it's got a nice lead up story, borrowed it off a friend on DVD a couple of months ago and liked it's lack of glamour, the likes of 'Last Train' are a bit too romantic.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got your Bug Out Bag ready? Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:

Maybe Israel would win or hold them off long enough for everyone else to join in, only takes one nutjob to drop a nuke on Israel though and it's game over. Wouldn't necessarily mean WW3 though, could quite as easily all stop as soon as the first one falls when people realise that there will be no winners if everyone pushes the button. I've no doubt before my life is over we'll be dragged into another massive war whether we like it or not, conscription included.


World Wars are planned for decades in advance. All it takes now is a few Carrier Strike Groups to move in the Gulf of Oman & The Mediterranean sea and you can have a scenario where Israel does survive.

The coming conflict will end in the mutual destruction of Muslim states & the state of Israel.

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Waiting for a Saudi revolution before buying those $200 oil calls? It may be time to reevaluate: according to Nomura a halt in just Libyan and Algerian oil production (far more likely than the crisis spilling over to Saudi) would send oil to over $220/bbl. Specifically "the closest comparison to the current MENA unrest is the 1990-91 Gulf War. If Libya and Algeria were to halt oil production together, prices could peak above US$220/bbl and OPEC spare capacity will be reduced to 2.1mmbbl/d, similar to levels seen during the Gulf war and when prices hit US$147/bbl in 2008." Wouldn't a doubling in price lead to a major demand plunge as well? Yes it would "This could also result in a temporary demand destruction of some 2.0mmbbl/d globally." Also, since the Fed's free money was not flooding global market last time, $220 is just a lowball estimate: "We could be underestimating this as speculative activities were largely not present in 1990-91."


The world needs at least three billion dead in the next 10 years. I'll take the front row seats, accompanied with a smile, because people are oblivious to the gravity of the situation we are in.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As we're posting videos. Anyone remember this classic piece of skillful propaganda, concocted out of nothing by Hill and Knowlton to sell a gullable public on invading Iraq in 1991, under Bush 41.

Just in case some total BS "atrocity" gets waved around by BBC/ITN/The Sun/Star/Times/Mail/Express/Guardian and the rest as a pretext to go in Libya or where ever for "humanitarian reasons" or to "save our boys" this needs another airing

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PostPosted: 22:10 - 23 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

SirEdward wrote:
The world needs at least three billion dead in the next 10 years. I'll take the front row seats, accompanied with a smile


Assuming compulsory conscription, you'll get a front row seat alright. Or summary execution for desertion. Either way, the irony would be dense enough to form a teeny-tiny black hole where you used to exist.
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Oh the worlds going to end...again. At what point do you guys get bored of this? Dont get me wrong this is not an insult to any of you, at one point i was one of the worst theroist on this site but for fuck sake shut the fuck up.

Swine flu,economic collapse,ANOTHER FALSE FLAG,world war three, how many times have you sat around the internets round table in anticipation for these events? And what did any of them ever amount to...nothing.

But everythings planned! Even world wars!..yea i suppose the other times we were about to break out into chaos as a certainty ( its part of the plan man!) but never...well that was all planned to! it was to scare us...those "in the know".

Geopolitics,economics,war and the million other influences that drive the ebb and flow of global events would take a life time of intense study and expereince to really get a handle on yet we take our prepackaged conspiracy theorys that cover every angle and it can be learned by any one with a "thinking brain" in a week from the internet?

There have been some strange events that deserve questioning but this constant theme of one force taking us in one direction towards the final finally with a perfectly planned conspiracy?....if you think you know whats going on in the world..you dont..if you think Alex J or any other talking point knows whats going on then you havent got a hope in hell of finding out.

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No you wont dude...you deeply fear this stuff thats why you spend your time "educating" your self on the issues. You feel 100% powerless so to gain some power you look at other people and label them "unaware" "ignorent" "sheep" etc this gives you some sense of control so you continue to point the finger at others and in effect say " ha ha your fucked but i know whats coming plus i dont care so nerr! you will hurt while i smile"

As if any one who was not suffering delusions would find comfort in the fact that no one around them is aware or capable of stopping an up and coming global disaster, i dont even know you or your post but i garantee every other post contains "world war three" "peak oil" "end of world" "ps looking forward to it" with a stupid attitude.

But if all is true who are these people,oblivious to the coming mayhem? Are they sheep to be scorned? The core of the problems? No..there just day to day people who place there attention where the power to act is..there own lives.

Those who take infomation on board from a fraction of society, react and try to model every world event to fit sadly look more like sheep than the average person. There are big issues to be faced by humanity there always were there always will be,its a garantee things will change in our life times but to where and to what no one here inc my self has a fucking clue.


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Ps to those from the cancer post, silver, rider, (somone else?) exuss my attitude i was in a rather bad way and quite possibly wrong,how ever if i had given an explination instead of being a gimp it would have been about FOXO- AMPS-autophagy-igf1-the downfall and uprise of various other things - i havent got time to stick around, the trail results from chemo+fast will be out in 2012 - lets hope it helps.
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 24 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
Oh the worlds going to end...again. At what point do you guys get bored of this? Dont get me wrong this is not an insult to any of you, at one point i was one of the worst theroist on this site but for fuck sake shut the fuck up.


Who are you and what have you done with the real Mad_Mushroom?
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 24 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The peasants come out of the woodwork with fear across their faces. Laughing

There's a different between you and me, even though, I don't pull 100k a year, yet. There is a reason why honour killing is allowed to resume, there's a reason why you will get beheading all across W. Europe, along with an occasional stoning - National (socialist) parties will be 'elected' within a few months from each other: from Sweden to the UK. What happens next is history.

You've had at the very least ten years to wake up, yet you chose ignorance, make no mistake -- I will be enjoying the time in the sun, when it goes down. On a beach, far, far away from Europe.

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PostPosted: 13:51 - 24 Feb 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mad_Mushroom wrote:
Oh the worlds going to end...again. At what point do you guys get bored of this? Dont get me wrong this is not an insult to any of you, at one point i was one of the worst theroist on this site but for fuck sake shut the fuck up.

Swine flu



Shocked Shocked As I recall you were a staunch proponent of the swine flu epidemic ties with conspiracy, what with it being spliced with all sorts of other viruses engineered for the purpose of achieving a 90% kill ratio of the human race or some pap like that, so what changed your mind hmm?

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Ps to those from the cancer post, silver, rider, (somone else?) exuss my attitude i was in a rather bad way and quite possibly wrong,how ever if i had given an explination instead of being a gimp it would have been about FOXO- AMPS-autophagy-igf1-the downfall and uprise of various other things - i havent got time to stick around, the trail results from chemo+fast will be out in 2012 - lets hope it helps.


So basically, you realised you were wrong with that line of theory, and now chuck in some acronyms with seemingly sporadic links to cancer development/progression and say "yeah yeah I meant stuff about that really (despite it being completely unrelated to any of the stuff I've mentioned previously).

Has someone hacked your account or something?

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