RE CHINESE BIKES

[bike30]

Hi i know there are some chinese bikes i do not like,but one maker generic stands out as it is really an austrian bike maker that chooses to make them in china, i suppose because of labour costs.
Now generic also was designed by Kiska who was designer for ktm and the ktm xbow car,also we do need to worry about the chinese as the japanese importer of Dahatsu cars is no longer going to import the cars due to high cost pound against the yen and from 2011 will start importing chinese cars from the great wall,and there quality will i think improve to that of the japanese cars.
So as dyson and others make there products in china although i am as british not happy it will be hard for many countries to compete,but as with early japanese bikes the price will in future go up when they get the market at present they seem a bargain.

[N cee thirty]

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[Scotsman37]

It's ok if say a german/japanese/british labeled product is made in China because those companies will make sure that the product comes up to their standards and not stoop down to China's so call standards of quality!

I do wish that production of such products would return to Britain and the rest of Europe because we need the jobs back here, but that won't happen when we've dip shit Tories & Lib Dems in power because they are taxing us out of existence with their crazy 20% sales tax on goods! I guess it's the rich ploy of making financially for the poor/moderate not worth having a vehicle then the rich will have clear motorways and town roads to potter around on.

Chinese don't seem to care to much about protecting pillion riders?

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[bike30]

[Scotsman37]

That reminds me when new owners at a manufacturing plant took over and we were expecting an annual wage increase with inflation, but the answer from the Director (former union rep) that he could get people in China working for a bowl of rice per day, and our answer was go ahead do it which we then down tooled! One week later he came back with £1 increase and all employment contracts would be honoured plus recognise the date we truly started working at the factory because he wanted us to start from scratch one as new employees which we were not! changed his mind because the company contracts had to be fulfilled in the up coming quarter of busines - hee! hee!

former union rep got greedy for money!

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[Rogerborg]

"Generic" are imported to the UK by the same long established outfit that import Hyosungs as well as a variety of plant and tools. They seem fairly credible, so I'd agree that Generic bikes are a reasonable choice.

By the way, I believe there all the current 125 commuter bikes and scooters are made in China, India or Korea. We might as well knock off the "The Chinese can't make decent bikes!" rubbish. They clearly can, it's more a question of whether they think it's worth their while.
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[Scotsman37]

20% has got everything to do with it because even if they reduce the import tax the current high sales tax would still keep the price high on goods unnecessarily which can deter buyers. So with a higher import tax and much lower sales tax then demand would rise dramatically and it would be much cheaper for them to keep up with demand to build a factory to feed that demand because more people are buying white goods, vehicles, etc, than normal due to a lower sales tax and higher import tax which means the manufacturers profits would rise and in turn the UK gets revenue for more goods being made & purchased rather than the odd few being sold!, plus help starting to get rid of state debt as more people would be working which in turn there would be more money to buy such goods!

Simple lack of finances/no job means no one will be buying new goods at frequent intervals, and therefore companies go abroad to keep their costs down because the high demand is no longer there due to a high sales tax and cheap import sales tax.

One down fall our employment laws are much stronger than China which may pose a further deterant of building factories here in UK or Western Europe!

We need to do what USA is doing at the moment as they are starting to realise this and hitting imported goods with a higher import tax which means companies are setting up factories within USA to supply the demand for their goods because their sales tax is low i.e California has 8.5% sales tax and Nevada has no sales tax due to their income from the gambling revenue is just so good, plus many other states also have a low sales tax too.

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[bike30]

Remember we can still buy the aprilia made in italy,the rieju in spain and derbi i think made in spain,sherco the spanish company are made in france and they have a well made 50cc road bike as well as bigger bikes, check sherco.

[bike30]

i forgot that a lot of you older members might remember the old uk motorcross rider Malcolm Rathmell as he is the importer of sherco which was bultaco and i like the 50cc road bike that is new.
I do not have any ties to the company only a past bultaco fan.

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[Scotsman37]

'G' are you a Torie/Lib Dem not wanting to pay a decent wage and that way of thinking that's how to do business? Shaft the worker I'm alright jack because I can sack my work force at the drop of a hat in a foreign country as my manufacturing plant is in a foreign country with poor employment laws!


As I said if Import tax goes up with sales tax down then manufacturers will FIND it CHEAPER to open a factory within UK rather than pay the higher import tax! If a company does want to do business then let them build a factory in that country if they want, as long as I've got a job with decent wage and prices of goods are reasonable!

With that system in mind I'm proposing we won't being going through crazy increasing cost of living because a majority will be working and they will have a wage to buy new goods, and this will create a repitition of people earning/buying more frequently which creates much needed revenue for the country!

There will always be import/export for RAW MATERIALS!!!

[G]

First off, I'm not a politician, nor affiliated with any political party.
I do think the labour party seriously messed up the country with a lot of their policies over the last ten years however, so would not consider myself a 'supporter' of them.
Are you a 'labour', a 'new labour'?

I think your view that high import tax with lower sales tax will sort out the country is incredibly naive.
This is a changing world and trying to get back to a situation which can not exist will not help us.
The reality is that the only thing that will do, as I described, is harm the country and employment prospects of people in this country.
To get out of debt we want to be net exporter and the reality is that couldn't happen when we make our selves vastly uncompetive even with western nations.

Sure, you might get a few new factories in the UK, but you'll find a hell of a lot of businesses laying off staff because they now can't justify employing people in the UK for anything but strictly UK labour. Any job that doesn't have to be based in the UK will now be outsourced, because it's even more financially viable.

So, yes, we WILL be going through crazy cost of living increases, as taxes overall would need to be raised significantly due to the even lower employment figures.

Not sure the UK really exports many raw materials? Import, yes, even more in your scheme - which will put the prices of goods up even more.

We are firmly entrenched in the globabl economy and I don't see just dropping out of it will work for a long time.



Personally, I think change has to come from the bottom up.
Legislation isn't going to help.
What WILL help is for British people to but British products.
Get that going because they WANT to buy British and it will have a positive affect on the country.
Try and legislate that in to being and I don't see any way it can work really.

What do you do to buy British?

It's noticable if you go to France that in most towns 90% of the cars on the street are French makes. I'm sure Rover wouldn't have gone into Administration if British people had actually bought their cars.
Of course, in many cases they weren't really that great cars.
But then, who's to blame for the quality of British products? I'd suggest this same "man on the street" again.

[MinhDinh]

[bike30]

[Scotsman37]

'G' I haven't been a voter since New Labour had evolved from Labour and F****d up the economy royally not lot long being in Government and what happened in Iraq! Their continual corruption scandals in the news.

To me New Labour is no different from Tories, plus now the Lib Dems because they all are in it for themselves to live on the expense of the people and hopefully get Knighthoods at the end of their service in Government!

You have your views how on the economy with a strong export and me with a strong manufacturing homebase !

The End!

[Alex A]

Scotsman: You have an extremely limited grasp of macro economics, and a pointlessly defeatist attitude towards politics.
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[N cee thirty]

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[N cee thirty]

sorry i didn't read your post :/ / couldn't give 2 fucks

my bad







still japanese bikes over chinese anyday
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[N cee thirty]

same old same old

admit it

have you even owned a chinese bike ? with proof of ownership noi pleze
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