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DrDonnyBrago
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Carrying a chain Reply with quote

Morning all,

How do you lot carry your chain around on the bike?

I don't have a top box, rack, panniers or anywhere I can think of to tie the chain on my bike without it rattling around and ruining the paintwork. The underseat storage is minimal.

I'm after something to carry it in as I don't fancy having a heavy chain in a backpack or a tank bag, a tail pack would be ideal but I'm a bit too poor to be splashing out.


What are these things like?

https://www.motorcycleclothingshop.co.uk/shop/motrax-motorcycle-lock-carrier-universal-fit.html

They look quite small, my chain is a 1.5m 12mm link jobby, will it fit? Anyone have any experience of these or similar?
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the lack of money is problem then sling it over your shoulder is the cheapest option but have you thought of a U-Lock which can either fit underneath the seat (some manufactures have made space for that on the newer bikes) or find a place on the bike to where it can be attached safely for carrying.

https://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/acatalog/Motorcycle_U-Lock.html
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can fit mine under the seat.

However, Ive bought a cheap top box and a spare pillion seat unit, drilled through the seat and attached the box, so If im going anywhere where the bike needs to be left i swp seat units over (about 5 seconds) and put the chain in that. Keep a disc lock under the seat as well just in case i forget.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Carrying a chain Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
They look quite small, my chain is a 1.5m 12mm link jobby, will it fit? Anyone have any experience of these or similar?


Reviewers wrote:

Good quality product easily took my big chain and padlock. Only thing I would say is that the straps were a bit tight on my Varadero 125 but it fits my Bandit 600 perfectly. Recommended.
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Seems well made and a great way to carry heavy security chains


Seems like a reasonable idea, but for for a few more £££ you can get a bigger tail pack.

Either way, Motrax are out of business now, so get 'em while you can.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the suggestions guys, I already have the chain though so kinda want to find a way to carry it. I had considered the over the shoulder thing but figured if I came off then a 7kg chain around my neck wouldn't do me any favours.

I like the idea of a spare seat with a topbox drilled into it... Might look into that.


Any suggestions of tail packs?
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesnt the CBR have 1 full size rear seat? Or is it 2 seperate seat?

The 1 full size doesnt have much room under but i used to carry 1 in a tank bag and on my CBR and it was fine. I also had a space under the seat on my old CBR for a U lock and a document holder... For the price of a u lock it was worth it!
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go for the kriega US-10. It is quite pricey but it's good quality. It's what is recommended by almax for carrying their chains. I have one but I got it included in the price when I told almax I was a member of visordown.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsman37 wrote:
If the lack of money is problem then sling it over your shoulder is the cheapest option


Wtf! Do not do this, pretty obvious that if you have an accident with a chain round your shoulder it could seriously injure you Thumbs Down


Donnybrago wrote:
I had considered the over the shoulder thing but figured if I came off then a 7kg chain around my neck wouldn't do me any favours.


I won't even carry something hard like a chain in my backpack, let alone roound my neck. Just asking to mangle your spine up in a crash.
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should have loads of room under the seat of the 600f, I managed to get a 1.2m 12mm link with massive padlock under mine. Just need to snake it around the tray to fit. Also a HG disclock and basic toolkit (3 spanners, screwdriver, leatherman tool) in there too.

Also when touring, filled the underseat with more tools instead i've managed to wrap it around the grabrail. Just put a bit of Ducktape on the tail to protect the paintwork...
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a bag and use a cargo net over the pillion seat Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmanxiii wrote:
You should have loads of room under the seat of the 600f, I managed to get a 1.2m 12mm link with massive padlock under mine. Just need to snake it around the tray to fit. Also a HG disclock and basic toolkit (3 spanners, screwdriver, leatherman tool) in there too.


Thats not bad, i could never really fit much under mine along with the tool kit it came with but i always worried about pushing stuff to that back incase it damaged the light wiring or some thing!
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gmanxiii wrote:
You should have loads of room under the seat of the 600f, I managed to get a 1.2m 12mm link with massive padlock under mine. Just need to snake it around the tray to fit. Also a HG disclock and basic toolkit (3 spanners, screwdriver, leatherman tool) in there too.

Also when touring, filled the underseat with more tools instead i've managed to wrap it around the grabrail. Just put a bit of Ducktape on the tail to protect the paintwork...


Couldn't get the seat to close with the lock under there, will try again though Thumbs Up .
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:


Any suggestions of tail packs?


Kriega US20, bit pricy though, mine was around £65 i think
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonnyBrago wrote:
Gmanxiii wrote:
You should have loads of room under the seat of the 600f, I managed to get a 1.2m 12mm link with massive padlock under mine. Just need to snake it around the tray to fit. Also a HG disclock and basic toolkit (3 spanners, screwdriver, leatherman tool) in there too.

Also when touring, filled the underseat with more tools instead i've managed to wrap it around the grabrail. Just put a bit of Ducktape on the tail to protect the paintwork...


Couldn't get the seat to close with the lock under there, will try again though Thumbs Up .


Best thing i did was start with the lock in first and use the chain to fill up any nook and cranny. Do you have a nylon/fabric shroud over the chain? i found that sometimes as i was snaking it back and forth you can overlap a U shaped bit into the space between the fairing and subframe so you can maximise the space but not have the chain rattling about in the seat.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some kind of yamaha waist bag thing that fits my 1.5 chain in it, i just loop the strap round the seat Very Happy or a cargo net over it, works pretty well


EDIT: https://www.motostrada.co.uk/bikeDetail.asp?cat2=52&prod=515&make=&model=&filter=&records=

Thats the kinda thing i mean, just extend the straps around the seat Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an Almax series 3, it's too heavy to go in the topbox and would likely smash it to pieces after a few rides bouncing around in there. I just put it in an old rucksack and bungee it to the pillion seat
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 01 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to slink the links in the bottom of the (throwover) paniers, on the 750, that has no luggage accomodation.
But other one, if the chain is long enough, is over the pillion seat, through the pillion peg brackets and back again....
Lad at college had an ingeniouse solution, I'm pondering for Snowie's pup.
He had an XJ900, with full three box system on it, but didn't want to be digging around in the boxes or have the lock rattling around chewing up his course work or whatever. He found a length of UPVC waste pipe from some left over DIY and ran it diagonally behind one of the paniers. Tube was the right diameter for teh chain, but too small for the lock, so he hacksawed the end at an angle and put a hole through, so after dropping chain down teh drain, he could lock it to the leaf at the end.... looked like a rocket launcher! MKII version he heated the pipe up with a paint stripping air gun, and made a neat curve so the whole length sat behind the boxed more neatly. Oh and the end was plugged so the chain didn't fall out, and it had a drain hole in the bottom so it didn't fill with water.... both aparently problems he'd discovered in use on the MKI... hey, engineering students, all that tax payers money, letting us play with engine dynometers and supersonic wind tunnels, and stuff.... not all to waste eh!
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since i got the alarm fitted, i rarely take the chain around with me and just use the disk lock.

When i do take the chain, though, it goes into a plastic bag, then into my tankbag. keeps the bag from blowing about and the plastic bag keeps it from getting anythig dirty. works a charm Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almax 3 in a tank bag here.
It's been a couple of years using, and i'm only getting fed up of the arrangement now (getting tempted to use Dunkable's way with the alarm and disc lock - only the fact i can't afford to replace the bike i've pumped all my money into that's insured TPO is putting me off...) - and that's only because i have to carry the empty tank bag around at my destination too (as well as my rucsak and bike gear and helmet it's very annoying around uni). For physically carrying the chain - works perfectly. Think it was an Aldi special tank bag - magnets alone hold it just fine at all CB500 speeds.
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PostPosted: 01:48 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

wish i could get my bloomin seat up on my hornet. its stuck! ...scared to break the key now Sad

....you should have bungee hooks under the seat, if not theyre dirt cheap and as many have said, bungee it over the pillion seat. that way its secure and wont slide around potentially causing a crash etc.

hey presto! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02:20 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Dunkable wrote:
Since i got the alarm fitted, i rarely take the chain around with me and just use the disk lock.

Ingah wrote:
i'm getting fed up of the arrangement now (getting tempted to use Dunkable's way with the alarm and disc lock

No!
!NO!
and to be sure
!!NO!!
Chains, big chains, Big BIG chains!
I discovered the Disc Lock.... great little divice.... but..... BIG CHAINS!
Alarms? Annoy neighbours, but little more.
Flashing lights and voices saying "Please Move Away From the Motorcycle"* can actually ATTRACT scroats... who'll keep setting it off until the batteries flat!
BIG CHAINS, prepferably around something strong and unyeilding, like a lamp post, work!
Cumbersome, inconvenient, often annoying, especially when its raining, and your wet and your fingers are frozen, BUT.....
Alarms give a pause for thought when they sound and flash, that may detur a casual plonker, but dont bank on it!
Disc lock will stop someone wheeling it off in a hurry, but wont stop them chucking it in the back of a Van, which an alarm is no deterent to either.
Big chain, especially round a lamp post, actually stops them wheeling off, or lifting in a Van... not 100% with bolt cutters and diamond cutters, BUT does make it more awkward for them.
Use all three.
alarm to scare away fiddle fingers kids.
disc lock to make them think twice.
BIG CHAIN to really make them work for it...
wont stop ALL of them, ultimately, and there are still the dolts that will have a go at hot wiring your bike, before looking to see the disc lock, or the cunning van men that will remove the back wheel and leave that behind taking the rest of the bike in the van.......
(Try to chain round the frame!)
* I have to say, after putting the disc Lock on the UK market, we were aproached by a chap from Tamworth who wanted us to market his 'Talking alarm', having been a pioneer of audio compression to computer ROM Chip.......
The initial meatings were err, rather tentative.... he did the voice messages himself.... he had a very course Brummie Accent....
Imagine, "Wer NINGG, theeees Mowta SyCl iz bin Stow lin"
didn't QUITE have the impact intended.....
He did the reverse alert alarms for Dustbin lorries too... got my auntie to do the voice for that one...... I nearly jumped out of my shoes when I first heard it, and spent five minutes wondering where the woman was! Thought they were playing a prank on me!
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

UKRedwing wrote:

Wtf! Do not do this, pretty obvious that if you have an accident with a chain round your shoulder it could seriously injure you Thumbs Down


Wtf! pretty obvious that if have an accident without a chain round your shoulder it could seriously injure you too! Thumbs Down Wink
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PostPosted: 02:37 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:
In a bag and use a cargo net over the pillion seat Thumbs Up


+ Thumbs Up

cheap, simple and easy to remove if you upgrade to a topbox etc

Hook/wrap the cargo net under seat at some point to ensure that is still there when you come back to bike... Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:56 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
Mr Dunkable wrote:
Since i got the alarm fitted, i rarely take the chain around with me and just use the disk lock.

Ingah wrote:
i'm getting fed up of the arrangement now (getting tempted to use Dunkable's way with the alarm and disc lock

No!
!NO!
and to be sure
!!NO!!
Chains, big chains, Big BIG chains!
I discovered the Disc Lock.... great little divice.... but..... BIG CHAINS!
Alarms? Annoy neighbours, but little more.
Flashing lights and voices saying "Please Move Away From the Motorcycle"* can actually ATTRACT scroats... who'll keep setting it off until the batteries flat!
BIG CHAINS, prepferably around something strong and unyeilding, like a lamp post, work!
Cumbersome, inconvenient, often annoying, especially when its raining, and your wet and your fingers are frozen, BUT.....
Alarms give a pause for thought when they sound and flash, that may detur a casual plonker, but dont bank on it!
Disc lock will stop someone wheeling it off in a hurry, but wont stop them chucking it in the back of a Van, which an alarm is no deterent to either.
Big chain, especially round a lamp post, actually stops them wheeling off, or lifting in a Van... not 100% with bolt cutters and diamond cutters, BUT does make it more awkward for them.
Use all three.
alarm to scare away fiddle fingers kids.
disc lock to make them think twice.
BIG CHAIN to really make them work for it...
wont stop ALL of them, ultimately, and there are still the dolts that will have a go at hot wiring your bike, before looking to see the disc lock, or the cunning van men that will remove the back wheel and leave that behind taking the rest of the bike in the van.......
(Try to chain round the frame!)
* I have to say, after putting the disc Lock on the UK market, we were aproached by a chap from Tamworth who wanted us to market his 'Talking alarm', having been a pioneer of audio compression to computer ROM Chip.......
The initial meatings were err, rather tentative.... he did the voice messages himself.... he had a very course Brummie Accent....
Imagine, "Wer NINGG, theeees Mowta SyCl iz bin Stow lin"
didn't QUITE have the impact intended.....
He did the reverse alert alarms for Dustbin lorries too... got my auntie to do the voice for that one...... I nearly jumped out of my shoes when I first heard it, and spent five minutes wondering where the woman was! Thought they were playing a prank on me!


Laughing I'm fully aware of the above. Unfortunately, faff factor and a big old CB500, along with being more than disorganised and having far too much crap to carry around anmyway, do take its toll. I've got somewhere in mind, at least at uni, where if you want to jam the bike in a van, you'll have to carry it 25-30m to do so Wink With the alarmed disc lock, and the bike's own alarm/immobiliser, wailing. Along with the fact it's got Datatag stickering on it (and actual Datatag), you'd have to be pretty daft. But hey, you're right, someone out there is daft enough - which is one of the few reasons i'm still bothering with the incredibly annoying chain - damn thing traps my fingers almost every time!
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 02 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above, the only places i don't bother with the chain are at my girlfriend's house, my work, and my own house. each place i can easily see the bike and hear the warning chirps of the alarm...

Anywhere else i take the chain. you can never be too careful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D96QM-lzLM8

It's all too easy to take a bike unfortunately Sad
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