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metalangel
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 03 Mar 2011    Post subject: South Wales Police doing spot checks Reply with quote
Fair warning, I got spot checked yesterday by a police biker who tells me this is their 'theme' for March.

I'm also the first one he'd stopped that didn't have illegal tires/mods and was properly insured and taxed.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 03 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
I keep my bike fully legal with insurance, MOT, & tax, and I always give it a check over to make sure it`s in good order ie tyres, chain, ect.
If they stopped me randomly for no reason, I`d ask them why and if I thought I could get away with it, I tell them to get knotted Evil or Very Mad

There`s no spots on my bike so they dont need to check it!
what is it? cant they find any illegal bikers to harrass, so they think it`s a good idea to bully legal bikers?
Or is this a reminder that they are in charge and we need to know our place Twisted Evil .
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 03 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shocked i have to send my v5 away with the new colour!! it says its red and has been since august! Embarassed
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 03 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
My bike used to belong to South Wales police. If I got stopped I'd ask them why they never changed the air filter and wtf that live wire under the seat was for.
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Coppers can stop you without a reason.

There are regulations governing formal roadside testing, but they're weighted against you. Read the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 67.

RTA 1988 Section 67 wrote:

67 Testing of condition of vehicles on roads.

(1)An authorised examiner may test a motor vehicle on a road [...]

[...]

(3)A vehicle shall not be required to stop for a test except by a constable in uniform.

(4)The following persons may act as authorised examiners for the purposes of this section [F191and section 67A of this Act]—

[...]

(e)a constable authorised so to act by or on behalf of a chief officer of police, and

(5)A person mentioned in subsection (4)(a) to (d) and (f) must produce his authority to act for the purposes of this section if required to do so.

(6)On the examiner proceeding to test a vehicle under this section, the driver may, unless the test is required under subsection (7) or (8) below to be carried out forthwith, elect that the test shall be deferred to a time, and carried out at a place, fixed in accordance with Schedule 2 to this Act, and the provisions of that Schedule shall apply accordingly.

(7)Where it appears to a constable that, by reason of an accident having occurred owing to the presence of the vehicle on a road, it is requisite that a test should be carried out forthwith, he may require it to be so carried out and, if he is not to carry it out himself, may require that the vehicle shall not be taken away until the test has been carried out.

(8)Where in the opinion of a constable the vehicle is apparently so defective that it ought not to be allowed to proceed without a test being carried out, he may require the test to be carried out forthwith.


Note all the getty-outy clauses. A copper doesn't have to produce evidence that he's authorised to perform tests (but must be authorised). You can ask for the test to be deferred, but the copper can carry it out anyway based on his "opinion".

And of course if the vehicle is "apparently so defective" then he's already spotted your bald tyres and credit-card sized number plate. There's no actual need for a section 67 "test" if the problems are obvious.

However, if your bike is or appears to be legal, feel free to insist on your right to defer any test. Good luck with that.
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Has any police force started checking for the 33BHP law yet?
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Probably tempting fate now, but I've never been stopped on the bike in 6 years of daily riding...

probably helps that everything is legal, and I ride like a granny most of the time though Embarassed lol
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ditto wrote:
Has any police force started checking for the 33BHP law yet?


I'm not aware of anywhere that does sweeps for that, although individuals have been caught out.

Regardless of what the copper may believe, the onus is on him to prove that the bike is over 25kW at the crank, not on you to prove that it's under. However, if they have "reason" to believe that you're riding without a license - like you're making progress quite... briskly... - they can seize your bike (but not arrest you).

Some forces do occasionally do mass pedboi sweeps looking for 50cc peds that can do more than 50kph. Unless they actually caught you riding at speed, there's a far stronger case there to assert your right to defer the test.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The only time if that last 10 years that I have been stopped, was for speeding Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paxovasa wrote:
The only time if that last 10 years that I have been stopped, was for speeding Embarassed


Ha I wasn't even stopped for mine, just a bloody nip. I'd rather have been stopped by a copper, at least you get a chance to grovel your way out of a ticket.
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Paxovasa
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Paxovasa wrote:
The only time if that last 10 years that I have been stopped, was for speeding Embarassed


Ha I wasn't even stopped for mine, just a bloody nip. I'd rather have been stopped by a copper, at least you get a chance to grovel your way out of a ticket.


I did get it reduced to an on the spot fine and points, as I was doing over a 100 at the time Embarassed
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 04 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
many times I`ve been stopped on completely legal bikes, with tax, MOT, insurance, good tyres, standard pipes, standard lights, ect ,not speeding or doing wheelies because they considered me suspisious????.

One of the times I was at a junction waiting to turn right when they told me to pull over???
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 18 Apr 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
sounds normal..just like here ..I think the cop's here are somewhat better..I was stopped for speeding..way over any posted limit..after getting stopped and ..discussing my anger and way of focus ..was given a ticket and told IF I survived to fight the ticket he would dismiss it ,,I was surprised to find he did drop the ticket ,,I was over 100 mph .angry ..defiant .. non-compliant .. normally cause for target practice here...some times you meet a cop..police officer that still listens...and understands..
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
if you are doing nothing wrong you should have no problem being stopped ... unless the frequency of the stops gets ridiculous ..


i was given two producers in the same day and stopped a third time on the way home from the police station having just produced all my docs once ..

(ok i was 18 in a supercharged v8 engined capri that was satin black and lowered 5.5 inches )

but still !
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
The TDM is legal, it has to be really the sheer volume of miles I do on it. The Speed Four and the KTM are less so Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 25 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might have to seriously consider putting the baffles back in my exhausts before Sunday's fun, then...

Never had a problem before, but those Heddlu. Confused
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 28 May 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote
AndyB1989 wrote:
if you are doing nothing wrong you should have no problem being stopped ... unless the frequency of the stops gets ridiculous ..





Yer makes perfect sense, I am living my life harming nobody and enjoying the supposed 'free?' existence of man and I should not have any problem with the powers that be checking up on me and making sure I am a good little boy.

Sure, I love that.
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