CBT - How long do YOU think it should take/takes?

[ShizSammich]

So, I called a company to book my CBT (as you do) and I obviously knew it would be a couple day course, perhaps a weekend. When I told him I'd like to do it this weekend he said he's free Saturday, but not Sunday.

Astounded, I exclaimed, "But it'll take a few days, won't it?" He asked me if I drove a car and if I could ride a push bike, both of which I do... he said I should pass that day.

Then my partner informed me that you have to be "a bit mongy" to fail on the first day.

Howevs, then I got a call from a CBT center I had tried earlier who hadn't answered and he berated me for taking a course that assumed I would pass in one day and told me that the other instructor was "just trying to sell a course".

But why would he sell me a course, pretty much assume I'd pass that day and make it clear that he's not free the day after in case I should fail?

Then he went on to talk about 50% fail rates and bad habits and sound altogether disgruntled.

I had always assumed it took a day or two or three, never expected to pass the first day. I know people who have taken two, three days.

How many days did it take you to pass the thing, and do you think that's standard or not? Do you think, even, that there should be a longer period of obligatory training?

Am I being arse raped by this over-optimistic instructor?

[CaNsA]

Right,

CBT is basicly 2 parts.

Yard work, where you get used to the scoot/bike and practice riding in a safe place and turning corners etc.

If you do this ok then you can carry on, if not then you may be sent home and to return at a later date.

Road Ride

you are taken out on the road and observed by the dude to check you are safe and confident etc.

If all is well then your CBT is complete
If not then you will be asked to return at a later date to do some more yard work and another road ride.


in my opinion if you do not get to go on the road ride then you can have another half days training with out any extra cost.
if then you get to go on the road ride then i would expect to pay for half a days tuition.

hope this makes sense.

btw, your other half is right, you have to be a tard not to pass on the 1st day.

[pinkyfloyd]

[dragstaar]

I'd never driven a manual car. Had no idea what the fook a clutch did (although i had an automatic car licence - total waste btw) and i passed first time.

[ShizSammich]

[Howling TerrorOutOfOffice]

When my g/f did her CBT she'd never even started a motorbike, nevermind change gears.

Her ability to ride a pushbike and operate a Unimog had helped her she said.
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[CaNsA]

look, do it on the saturday and if you fail to reach the standard then go back the next chance you get. That could be any day of the week that both you and the CBT Training place are free.

simples

it really isnt that difficult understand how the process works.

[ShizSammich]

[CaNsA]

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[pinkyfloyd]

Lets break it down:

A. introduction
B. practical on-site training
C. practical on-site riding
D. practical on-road training
E. practical on-road riding

Thats the 5 elements on a CBT and a run through is as follows:

A. introduction - Hi I'm pinky and I'm your instructor for today your name is?......Welcome to the cbt course and we'll be teaching you the basics on riding a bike legally and safely on the roads.

Takes about 2 minutes.

B. practical on-site training - This part takes about 90 mins or so. this is where you learn what a motorbike is, what safety gear is and why you should wear it and you'll be introduced on how to ride the bike and the controls.

C. practical on-site riding - You'll ride around in circles in 1st gear and then do figure of 8's. You'll then ride around changing from first into second gear to get used to changing gear and will practice things like emergency stop, lifesaver glances, mirror checks and junction training.

Lunchtime! yay.... Pee stop and general relaxing and thinking about the mornings activities.

D. practical on-road training - Takes 30 minutes or so and is an extended version of this: You'll be going onto the roads. Dont get dead!

E. practical on-road riding - By law this is a minimum of 2 hours. You'll be rigged up to a radio with an ear piece, no mic because the instructor doesnt want to hear silly questions, and you'll be kitted up and taken out onto the road. The instructor will give you clear instructions all the way including when to check mirrors and lifesavers.

After that you'll get yourself a little piece of paper with your license number on it and the instructors squiggle to celebrate the fact that you can now ride on the lovely well kept roads of our fair nation.

If you need further training after that then you've no business being on 2 wheels and should try a more sedate mode of transport like Firstbus or British snail!
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[Zinger]

When I did my CBT the other girl who was there had to come back for more training. There was also another guy there who was back to complete his CBT from another day.

I don't think everyone can pass first time, it does take at least a little skill to ride a bike.

For the record, I passed on the day and it was piss easy

[Paxovasa]

I voted for less than one day.

My own opinion is that if it takes you two or more days, then biking ain't for you.
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[ws4936]

When i done the CBT i did it with this girl, she dropped the bike on a TIR, because she used her front brake to sharply, instead of using her back brake and clutch control.... instructor picked up the bike, started it after a few flooded attempts, asked her to do it again, and she did. We both passed 1st time. What i think it boils down too, is what kind of instructor and school you get. If the guy is chilled - can see you have the ability then there shouldn't be a problem.
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[0ddball]

1 day should be fine in most cases. The other instructor is just pissed because he lost out on the business. Sounds like a tosser.
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[Piercee100]

I drive vans and trucks for a living and found the cbt pretty hard (clutch control) but out on the road showed confidence and I was safe- thats really all it needs, so I passed. I started the day with my wife who is (putting it politely) a bit dense. She does have some special needs and is going back for her third go next wednesday and really just needs to show some confidence. If you make a f*ck up just understand what you did, even tell the instructor that you understand what you did and that way he knows your working on the issue.

[Rogerborg]

It really depends how you take to the bike. If you're coming from a pushbike, you'll have the balance, but the weight may take you by surprise.

Not having been on a bike since a shagged out 50cc 2 stroke scooter in the 80's, I felt there was a lot to assimilate in a single day, and it was also quite physical and tiring. I didn't feel confident doing the road ride on the afternoon of first day, so came back a few days later, rested and with my head properly adjusted, did another 30 minutes riding around the yard then had a great time doing the road ride.

A decent school will let you do this, and will even encourage it. If they try and cram you through, it's not a good school.
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[Hetzer]

Mine was a two or three day course in Bristol. I rode there and back each day on my first Blade. I think I was first asked about it by my instructor on the third day, like he was mildly curious about me apparently blatantly breaking the law, and I told him I had a Japanese license. He said I didn't need to take the UK test, I could just swap it over. I said it would reduce my premiums if I took the proper UK test. I still can't quite understand how I was so stupid as to assume none of the staff would dob me in. Probably all the weed I was smoking. I passed the test on the third day.
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[Glenben92]

Did mine at 16. Started at 9:20, Walked out of the centre with my cert at 14:30. Never understand when people take more than the one day.

The place I did mine with is renowned for being meticulous in checking you out. They like to enforce a near test standard on CBT because they treat it as if you're definitely going on to take the full test. So it's not that I had an easy ride, it's just that riding is easy.
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[27cows]

Never had CBT in my day. You'd buy some aged rattle trap (a few of you would probably all chip in - we was poor in them days ). Then you'd get round the local tracks and learn to use a clutch. You'd fall off about 36 times before eventually mastering the art of staying upright. You would also learn about maintenance, oil changes, how forks works and why doing 15ft jumps on moped were a bad idea if you wanted to father children/continue being able to walk/the like.

After that, riding on the road as soon as you were 16 was a doddle.

CBT should take about ten minutes unless you're totally unsuited to riding a bike. Can you operate the clutch now - yes. Can you avoid getting hit by buses and cars - yes. Do you know how to operate the brakes - yes. Right - off you go
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[bikertomm]

I had a quick go on my friends bike to understand the clutch, but other than that I had never ridden or driven! Did ride a mountain bike though

Did CBT on a geared 125, the Ybr. I think it must have taken about 5 - 6 hours.

The question I got asked relative to the highway code was which way do you giveway to on a roundabout

I could not believe how fast 30mph felt! And the '2 hour on road ride' felt like 15 minutes

Basically if your slightly mechanically minded and know the general rules of the road you have nothing to worry about.

Best £60 I think I've ever spent!


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[blurredman]

My brother got a TS50 after he took a CBT in May. I rode it up and down the garden a couple of time- I did drop it too

I decided I wanted a bike and decided to take my own CBT. I took mine in June and it was about 6 hours I suppose, most of the people I was taking it with I can describe as the typical Cardiff squaler offspring.

I decided to do mine on an Automatic 125. I decided it was the easiest way of getting it done.
Then some weeks later I bought my Honda CG.

And as of the 19th of January I have had an A2 licence.
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[yen_powell]

I used to teach CBT in the mid to late 90s. Most people get through it in a day, the occasional one isn't safe to take out on the road for the two hour ride. I don't remember anyone who did the 2 hours not getting a certificate.

At the end of the day if you feel someone would become a red smear on their way home you don't issue their certificate.

Not getting your certificate at the end of the first day doesn't necessarily make you a bad rider. If you've gone from never riding a motorbike to being able to ride feet up figure of eights in a tight space in a few hours, you're already ahead of me in the first year of my own riding (back in the hearly 80s) when we were left to our own devices. I just muddled through and luckily survived the experience.
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[chris-red]

There where 4 of us on my CBT,

ME and another young guy both doing it for the first time, I'm experienced scooterist having to redo it after his 2 year period and some one Russian bloke who couldn't understand English.


The Russian bloke failed as he couldn't get slow speed manoeuvres down then crashed into the back of me when I was parked. The rest of us passed.

You are a bit mongy if you have to come back for a second day. I was actually shocked as to how little experience you needed, and didn't feel ready for the road when they said I had passed. I rushed home haired out on my bike and 5 minutes later I was a few feet from the bumper of a van as I went straight through a give way line. But in my entire first year one bikes and I didn't drop the bike once.
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