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PostPosted: 20:43 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Moving a bike in a rented van? Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

Ive just bought a GSXR 400 and It's lack of MOT means I can't ride it home. I plan to rent a van to move it in, anyone have any tips/ideas on how to load it into the van and fix it down so that it doesnt move around or fall over? I dont have a chock and cant afford to buy one ATM nor do I have a trailer hook to tow a trailer with so that alternative is out of the window.

Oh, and if you have any photos of your bikes in vans, I would appreciate seeing the strap arrangements.

Thanks!


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PostPosted: 21:16 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

No other biking mates that can go with you and sit on it in the back ?...

Had to do that a few times when I broke down a few years back, thank god for mates with Transit vans, longest was about 17 miles of country roads, it got a bit hairy at times...
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ratchet strap it down - either hooked onto the headstock or with a bar-strap like this:

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/barstraps1.jpg

Once the forks are compressed it won't go anywhere.

As you're local to me, i can give you a lend of some straps if you need them, may even have a scaffold board around so you can load the bike in to the van.

If you need a hand, just ask.

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PostPosted: 21:19 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or go with that above...

Nice one Mistergixer... Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:25 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've moved my beast of a triumph in a van twice now, once from bradford to york and then from york to colchester. Both times it was a swb tranny. I've no pics of her in the van, but I have some pics of her next to the van that brought her home.

My advice regarding transporting them:

Arrow Try and get a proper ramp or at least a wide strong plank. I used a plank not much wider than the rear wheel (as I had nothing else suitable) and it came perilously close to falling off.

Arrow Ratchet straps are your friend. I borrowed a set the first time, but bought my own for the second time.

Arrow Put a sheet of something non-pourous on the floor of the van with something absorbent on top to catch any leaks/sloshes of fluids. I took a van back with petrol soaked into the wooden floor of the van, which they would probably have charged me for if they'd checked the load area before signing the forms off.

As for how to tie it down, the method I've used both times hasn't failed me despite some very twisty roads and several emergency stops:

Roll the bike forwards until the front wheel is against the bulk-head and put the bike onto its side stand. Then wrap a ratchet strap around the right-hand handlebar and brake lever, putting on enough tension to pull the brake leaver in, then attach the other end to the anchor point in the front off-side corner of the load area, applying just enough tension to the strap to keep the brake lever held in. Then do the same to the left hand handle bar, but don't bother wrapping it around the clutch, just the grip. Anchor this one to the front nearside anchor point and apply enough tension to make sure the strap is securely in place (i.e, it doesn't slip). The add a couple of turns of tension alternatively to each strap, which will pull the bike firm against the bulk-head thus stopping it moving backwards and forwards (which the front brake will also help with) and it will also pull the suspension down stopping any up/down movements of the bike which could topple it during transport. You don't have to put so much tension on that it bends the handlebars/side-stand, but you need to put enough on there to remove any movement. Each time I've used this method, I've been able to violently shove the bike in any way possible without it moving a mm, and absolutely no damage has been done to the bike.

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PostPosted: 21:34 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some-one else to ride the bike for you?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Moving a bike in a rented van? Reply with quote

Where's the bike? Looks like I'll be coming past you with an emtpyish van next week (from near the top of the M1 to kent).

Poseidon offers good advice Thumbs Up. Though personally I'd avoid putting anything under the bike wheels.

I will generally leave the sidestand out, but make sure it's not in contact with the floor when ratcheting the bike down.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Shiply

https://www.shiply.com/

100% you could get somebody to deliver it for cheaper than hiring a van and playing the diesel.

I bought MattSpratts KTM he lives 280 odd miles away from me, I got the bike delivered for £70.

Somebody picked up and delivered a bike to me travelling 280 miles for £70.

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PostPosted: 23:23 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Myself, G, Bendy, Danny, and various other forum regulars have moved bikes in vans before on many occasions.

The way I do it is this:

I usually use a proper bike ramp to get the bike into the van. I usually need assistance for this.

Once in the van I push the bike right up against the bulkhead in the van or up against the passenger seat, and either use a cable tie to tie on the front brake, or if using a handlebar strap, I make sure the handlebar strap is holding the brake on.

I get a mate to hold the bike upright while I loop ratchet straps either around the fork legs just above the lower yoke, or I use a handlebar strap as pictured above. There are usually tie down points in the van, and usually the bike is sat centrally between them. I hook the ratchet end of the strap over the tie down point, and take the long part to loop around the fork leg. I put the free end through the closed up part of the hook so that the strap cannot become unhooked through movement.

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I then take the free end of the strap, pull it through the capstan part of the ratchet, pulling it back out towards the bike. I then tighten it so there is no slack but it is not fully tight. I do the same on the other side, then tighten both up equally until they are tight.

Your mate should now be able to let go of the bike.

Next, I take two more tie down straps and attach them to the rear peg hangers, grab rail or subframe. I make sure these straps go diagonally away from the rear corners of the bike so that they prevent the bike from moving forward and side to side. Having four straps is probably overkill, but I do it for my own peace of mind. Again I tighten them progressively so that the bike is not leaning over to either side.

This should hold the bike sufficiently for any journey.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 13 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to just strap the fuckers to the side of the van rather than in the middle, they go no where.

Common sense required to stop things breaking though, I've moved a few and never broken or scratched anything.
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 straps on the front is usually sufficient but if you're moving multiple bikes or have enough straps already I would do exactly as Marjay says, used to regularly take 4 large bikes in a sprinter and without 4 straps on each the small chance of movement could mean bikes rubbing against eachother, not relevant to you though.

I would definitely cable tie the front brake and not attach it to the strap in any way, the ratchet tension could easily be way more than you should be putting on the lever.
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PostPosted: 03:07 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used a ramp to wheel the bike into the van, stick it in gear then ratchet strap it down, 3 is enough, one for each clip on, and one through the rear tyre

Most vans have tie down points
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
I would definitely cable tie the front brake and not attach it to the strap in any way, the ratchet tension could easily be way more than you should be putting on the lever.


The handlebar straps I've used just hold the brake on with a loop of webbing, and do not put any tension on the brake lever.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try and get someone to ride it back for you if it is taxed and tested.

If not, then also cable tie the front brake lever on. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stick mine in the back of a hilux, on it's sidestand and loads of ratchet straps, jobs a goodun.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalky. wrote:
I stick mine in the back of a hilux, on it's sidestand and loads of ratchet straps, jobs a goodun.

Why sidestands supporting the bike are a bad idea; have a ratchet strap loosen up a bit (due to bike moving, etc) and the bike now has the opportunity to lift off one of the points of contact.
Less of an issues with the wheels which have suspension, but if it bounces off the sidestand, the sidestand can then fold up in some situations. As there would be ratchet straps pulling it down on this, the bike is now unbalanced and like to end up on the floor.

To make it easier, what I will sometimes do is attach the first ratchet strap on with the sidestand out (if it's quite upright), only do it up enough to lock the strap, then tension it with the other one which pulls it upright and gives good tension in both, compressing the suspension.
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PostPosted: 11:12 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
The handlebar straps I've used just hold the brake on with a loop of webbing, and do not put any tension on the brake lever.


No they don't but someone else suggested wrapping the tie down strap around the brake lever. Handlebar straps are good but they're expensive for just moving one bike, worth having if it's something you do occasionally, otherwise i'd just wrap it around the top or bottom yoke on each side.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often slot the brake lever in to the handlebar straps when I use them.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont tie it down on the side stand,
Tie it in place, upright, but put the side stand down.

If it does go then you have a 50/50 chance of it resting on the stand Very Happy
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the vans that I have ever hired have been ply-lined and devoid of anchor points.
Save yourself a load of cash, stress and hassle by doing as chris-red suggests and use a respected, reliable courier service.
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PostPosted: 20:40 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Chalky. wrote:
I stick mine in the back of a hilux, on it's sidestand and loads of ratchet straps, jobs a goodun.

Why sidestands supporting the bike are a bad idea; have a ratchet strap loosen up a bit (due to bike moving, etc) and the bike now has the opportunity to lift off one of the points of contact.
Less of an issues with the wheels which have suspension, but if it bounces off the sidestand, the sidestand can then fold up in some situations. As there would be ratchet straps pulling it down on this, the bike is now unbalanced and like to end up on the floor.

To make it easier, what I will sometimes do is attach the first ratchet strap on with the sidestand out (if it's quite upright), only do it up enough to lock the strap, then tension it with the other one which pulls it upright and gives good tension in both, compressing the suspension.


You have to angle it in anyway, it won't fit straight.

front wheel rammed into the top left corner, back as far up the right as it'll go and then on its stand. Plenty of proper straps and it won't move an inch.

Best way to do it in a pickup.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen people bend their sidestand bracket with ratchet straps so definately don't have it on the ground when you tie it down.

Remember you'll need to get it into the back of the van too. If you ride it up on a ramp, the bike has to go all the way in in a oner. If you get the front wheel in but don't have the momentum to get all the way, roll back down and try again. If you gas it with the front wheel in the van and the back wheel on the ramp, it'll shoot the ramp out from under you. Posts on youtube ensue.
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice wide ramp with you at the handlebars going up with it and a mate or two on the floor pushing the back.

Simples.
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only shot the ramp out once using gas on the ramp - and then I'd got stuck halfway up when my brake lever hit something.
Wouldn't recommend doing it at all, however until you're at least confident using the ramp not on the bike!
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 14 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should your comma be after however?
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