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PostPosted: 09:57 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Causing death by no insurance Reply with quote

https://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/MOTORIST-FACES-JAIL-NEW-LAW/article-3330175-detail/article.html

It seems there's a new law on this. Uninsured car driver to be jailed for causing death because he shouldn't of been on the road. He wasn't at fault for the accident, the bike hit him.

That's a step up from a small fine and vehicle seizure for uninsured drivers.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Causing death by no insurance Reply with quote

Wow, that really is pathetic!
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't matter if he didn't cause it... if he had no insurance he shouldn't have been driving and if he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been there to cause the accident.

There's no excuse for driving with no insurance, if you can't afford it then don't drive.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that bit of paper that said whether he was insured or not is the exact reason he crashed, and the reason the lad died.

Rolling Eyes

Even so, I'd call him a cunt.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulcdb wrote:

There's no excuse for driving with no insurance, if you can't afford it then don't drive.

No excuse for speeding either. If he hadn't have been going over the speed limit earlier in the journey he wouldn't have been there.
So, lets say someone is involved with you in an accident which is entirely their fault. Because it's shown you did 75mph on the motorway earlier, you'd think it's fair you get a lengthy prison sentence?
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he couldn't afford the insurance, is not the insurances fault for cancelling it? If they didn't cancel it then he wouldn't have been prosecuted?

I like the comment "I don't know how he lost control of the bike, he can handle them really well and knows that road"

a 17 year old, on an RS125 (at an educated guess), can obviously "handle bikes well" with no real road experience. Maybe that's why he lost control in the first place.

How about prosecuting the DVLA? If they didn't license him to use the vehicle he wouldn't have been riding?
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulcdb wrote:
Doesn't matter if he didn't cause it... if he had no insurance he shouldn't have been driving and if he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been there to cause the accident.


Doesn't matter if a car pulls out on you, it's YOUR fault, because if you didn't do 40 in that 30, you would have had more time to stop when you got to the point of accident 10 miles later.

Or if you didn't go that way, you wouldn't have been knocked off.

Ah well, tough shit, your fault you got knocked off.

Works both ways.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulcdb wrote:
Doesn't matter if he didn't cause it... if he had no insurance he shouldn't have been driving and if he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been there to cause the accident.

There's no excuse for driving with no insurance, if you can't afford it then don't drive.


Then can you be charged for causing death by no milk? If someone ran out of milk and was on their way to the shop and someone crashed into them and died would they be charges? If they had milk in the fridge they wouldn't have been there to be in the accident....
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

paulcdb wrote:
Doesn't matter if he didn't cause it... if he had no insurance he shouldn't have been driving and if he wasn't, then he wouldn't have been there to cause the accident.



That is the biggest load of tosh ever.

The law shouldn't work that way. This is almost obscene, I am tempted to write to them or something.

Death by no insurance, what a fucking joke. I am seriously pissed off at this. I am in no way encouraging driving with no insurance but getting done for killing someone when you were not at fault in the accident makes me fucking sick.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car drivers fault.
He should have legged it after the accident Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/causing_death_by_driving_unlicensed_disqualified_or_uninsured_drivers/

Details of the new law.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its evident that this is an attempt to cut down on uninsured drivers but Im not sure its the answer. If you can get porridge for doing a ton up under the pretence that its dangerous and could kill someone then does the same not apply to simply being on the road uninsured? By the same rationale an uninsured driver has the potential to be involved in a fatality that could be avoided because they shouldnt be on the road.

Its a bit mad I guess but it doesnt massively worry me since I tend to try and be insured!
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Villers wrote:
Its evident that this is an attempt to cut down on uninsured drivers but Im not sure its the answer. If you can get porridge for doing a ton up under the pretence that its dangerous and could kill someone then does the same not apply to simply being on the road uninsured? By the same rationale an uninsured driver has the potential to be involved in a fatality that could be avoided because they shouldnt be on the road.

Its a bit mad I guess but it doesnt massively worry me since I tend to try and be insured!


I just remembered something from a while ago. On TV the government seem to think that uninsured drivers are more likely to be involved in a fatal accident than an uninsured driver. Now I imagine this to be complete bullshit.

1. If I was uninsured, I would be driving extra carefully.

2. Where is the proof of this?

The bit in bold is what this law seems to rely on. Potential. Seriously, if our laws are being based upon "potential" does that not scream out as just plain wrong?
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that no insurance, then don't drive or ride on the public highway.

But when the bike was on the wrong side of the road and caused the accident, then all that should happen to the driver of the uninsured car is the usual points and fine.

If the car driver WAS at fault, then send the twat down.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paxovasa wrote:


If the car driver WAS at fault, then send the twat down.


If the car driver was on the wrong side of the road then yes, death by dangerous driving. Death by no insurance is pointless.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

calyx wrote:
Car drivers fault.
He should have legged it after the accident Laughing

Seems like a good reason for people to do just that - and make sure the vehicle isn't in their name so they definitely can't be traced.
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Death by no insurance, whatever next..... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 21:53 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I want to know is this:

A burglar breaks into your home and gets mauled by your dog or injured by something on your property - it's your fault, not the burglars. They shouldn't have been there but it's not their fault they are injured and you have to pay compo or have your dog exterminated.

How the hell is this different to this new law?
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 16 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about culpability.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 18 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a lot of support for criminality around here. SORN it or insure it, simples.
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 18 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sicko wrote:
There is a lot of support for criminality around here. SORN it or insure it, simples.

Ah, so you follow ALL road laws, yes?
Or is, perhaps, your criticism of 'support for criminality' a bit hypocritical?
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 19 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

-1 for saying "simples". I have yet to hear it uttered by anyone that I didn't want to kick in the throat. Epic trolling though, truly old school brute force.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 19 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 41-year-old has become the first driver in Staffordshire to be prosecuted under new laws targeting uninsured and untaxed drivers.


Well, for one, it's absolutely pathetic. One had no bearing on the other. No he shouldn't have been driving uninsured, but that should have been dealt with in the same manner as it otherwise would be irrespective of the death.

Secondly, the line above implies that one might similarly be prosecuted for 'causing death by tax evasion', which would be beyond laughable.

Fortunately, the subsequent link into the summary of the legislation does not mention tax in relation to this offence.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 19 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Better send the driver's parents to jail as well, then. If they hadn't had him, he wouldn't have been there. Same for his grandparents, in fact they could go back for generation after generation.
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 19 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

And given the number of RSbois who must get creamed, Aprilia are worse than Hitler.
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