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PostPosted: 15:08 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Woman Dumped me. Time to get a Bike again. Reply with quote

Hi.

Basically im looking for a new bike. Ive only got a cbt but looking to do big test later in year so for now want 125cc to commute on sometimes and just a bit fun.

I had a honda nsr 125 which i thought was good. But fancy something different this time round. Im open to suggestions. It has to look good obviosuly and im fond of 2 strokes its just the cost of running them that puts me off a bit.

So far ive been looking at:

Sachs 125 xtc
Suzuki rg wolf 125

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320670838502&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123 (possbily?)

Suzuki maurader 125
suzuki van van
cagiva planet
cagiva roadster

..just to name a few! Thoughts expereicnes and advice welcome!!
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also this is for a budget of 800 to 1000 sorry.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

In all honestly? You'd be better off with that £800-£1000 passing your test and then buying some kind of 500cc commuter or cheap 600c naked bike.

Much better way of going about it IMHO, buying a 125 is a waste of money if you intend on passing your test soon.
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PostPosted: 15:17 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulington wrote:
In all honestly? You'd be better off with that £800-£1000 passing your test and then buying some kind of 500cc commuter or cheap 600c naked bike.

Much better way of going about it IMHO, buying a 125 is a waste of money if you intend on passing your test soon.


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PostPosted: 15:20 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm you's are probally right. I just want something for the present and summer as it will be much later in the year as i come in to money later on so for now jus wanting something to get my confidence up and have a bit of fun.

So if you had to get a 125 what would you recommend or avoid.

Cheers
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you come into money? You have enough money there to pass your test with and get an older 500cc commuter, then when you come into money get shot of it or keep it and get a 600 or similar.

You will become a LOT more confident spending 3 days with the instructor on a 125/500 (depending on your age, DAS or A2) as they'll make your riding just as it should be, safe with proper obervations etc whereas if you spend a bit of time (and waste money) spending time on a 125 you'll hate after a while picking up bad habits that will make your test harder to do.

To recommend any? Any 125cc motorcycle from the following manufacturers:

Suzuki
Kawasaki
Honda
Yamaha
Aprilia or Cagiva (If you don't mind a bit of extra spending & maintenence needed).

AVOID:

Hyosung
Haotian
Jingwongchangding
Nihaowingwong
(The jist? Avoid anything Chinese, it's made of cheese).

Honestly, just pass your test now. You'll be a better rider and have a better bike for it.

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PostPosted: 15:27 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interested in the dumping subject - does your nickname have anything to do with it?

NSR125 might be a good choice. It's a honda, quite a popular bike so spares shouldn't be a problem.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope its my second name friend. Im not exactly a smallman anywhos.

And ive had a 125 for over a year before and enjoyed it. It was just a bit fun for commuting and will probally be again till i get a bigger bike.

And im not to concerned about the money wasted on the 125 its still a bike at the end of the day and alot more fun than a car.

Looks like ill have to have a look around to see what there is.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only read the title.

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PostPosted: 16:03 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could of course ignore how you look on the bike and get a CG125 or similar, then you'll have plenty money left over from that budget for all your gear AND doing your test...

Then afterwards (if you take care of the bloody thing) you'll get all, if not more, of your money back from the bike.

Plus you'll save about £20 for bike hire when training and the like.

If not, might be a good idea just to go straight through a course with the local bike school, then get one of the cheap 500cc twin commuters (ER5, GPZ500s, CB500, GS500). fantastic bikes and they'll do till you get something nicer Thumbs Up

It's up to you, really...

And i'm curious.

Did you sell the NSR to be with this woman? Laughing

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PostPosted: 16:40 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha i sold the bike to get a car to go see her as she lived far away! Foolish mistake.

And ive got all my gear and that so isnt a problem. Money wont be a issue when i come to buy the bike (not meaning to sound rich here cos im not lol just got some coming in..around decemeber tho).

So basically looking for a good fun bike, that looks the part, costs between 800 - 1000 and wont be blowing up every few 1000 miles.

Im tempted for a nsr again now but i just cant decide.

When buying a 2 stroke is there anyway of telling how long till the engine will need rebuilt. Do they always need rebuilt even on restricted bikes, this is where i start to worry when shopping around.

Seen a suzuki rg 125 with 12000 miles on and the guy doesnt know if the engine has been rebuilt. Would this be a avoid situation?? He thinks its all orginal and standard.
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on price. at that mileage it's looking at a new piston & rings, depending on the condition of the barrel.

So if it's cheap enough i'd go for it, not a hard job and parts can be had pretty cheap off ebay.

Personally i'd have an NSR, looks quite good, reliable enough and enough poke Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 19:28 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're dead set on getting a 125 then I'll give you some advice.

Stay away from the sachs xtc, its less reliable than an abused 2 stroke as parts are impossible to get hold of. Then theres the host of problems they can suffer from as you'll know if you've read through the sachs forum.

Get a cg or spend the £1000 on training/test and buy a 500.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

smallman22 wrote:

When buying a 2 stroke is there anyway of telling how long till the engine will need rebuilt. Do they always need rebuilt even on restricted bikes, this is where i start to worry when shopping around.


Compression tester (and knowing what compression reading to expect).
At the very least it'll tell you how good the top end is (not sure whether the bottom end dying would show up on it or not).
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asimo wrote:
If you're dead set on getting a 125 then I'll give you some advice.

Stay away from the sachs xtc, its less reliable than an abused 2 stroke as parts are impossible to get hold of. Then theres the host of problems they can suffer from as you'll know if you've read through the sachs forum.

Get a cg or spend the £1000 on training/test and buy a 500.


My friend had one of these and I cannot agree more, DO NOT get one Smile
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

smallman22 wrote:
Hmm you's are probally right. I just want something for the present and summer as it will be much later in the year as i come in to money later on so for now jus wanting something to get my confidence up and have a bit of fun.

So if you had to get a 125 what would you recommend or avoid.

Cheers


Being brutal, see all the other advice I have offered on this board.

In your budget there's but ONE bike I can reccomend. And I doubt you'll like it.

Yamaha YBR125.

They are new enough that most haven't yet had so many numpty owners torturing the clutch or bashing the selector forks to death, though many will have had the forks pounded practicing e stops, or suffered attempts at 'tuning' or worse shear bodge repairs instead of maintenence. They are easy to ride, easy to live with, do exactly what it says on the box for the type 'Learner Commuter'. And for getting test done, perfect for the job. Reasonably reliable, durable, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, cheap to run, and cheap to fix if you bash it..... and after six months, getting your test, sell for within £100 of what you paid.

On the avoid list....... we'd be here for ever.

Almost ANYTHING two stroke, and certainly anything two stroke and liquid cooled. Definitely, not two stroke, liquid cooled plus fairings! In fact most things with fairings, I'd avoid. 'sports' 125's are kiddie go kwik machines more often ridden into the ground and or crashed, and almost certainly by riders paying more attention to the speedo than the state of the drive chain! Or anything else for that matter. Restricted lock, cramped riding possition, head down arse up riding possition, NOT the easiest bike to practice good observations, or demonstrate them to a probably less than impresed examiner who's pegged the rider as a kiddie go kwikly thrill seeker as soon as he's seen it.

Anything with knobly tyres. I love dirt bikes, BUT. Not the best tool to get a test on. Upright riding possition makes observations easier, and geometry can be good for cone work, but high centre of gravity can defeat some of that, but soft long travel suspension and knobly tyres not great for swerve test or E stop....

Anything with lots of chrome, tassles, buttoned seats, sway back bars and DEFINITLEY not a sissy bar! Cruisers do not like going round cones. They dont much like e stops, and I have done a U turn on a Super Black bird in a tighter road than I could get the G/F's little chopper thingy round.....

Anything advertised as 'just needs fork seals for test'.

Anything that's advertised as 'just needs top end rebuild'

Anything thats advertises as 'Just HAD top end rebuild'.... (Usually means it needed a FULL rebuild, but when they looked at how expensive / complicated it was, they slapped the head and barel back on with new gaskets = 'top end rebuild")

Anything with suggestion "Slight Misfire"

Anything with suggestion "Probably just needs the carburettors cleaned"

Basically ANYTHING that suggests that the bike doesn't 100% 'work'....

Anything much over 5 years old probably wont be anything like 100% anyway..... but you work the odds, and if it has ONE pretty obviouse faults, how many more less than obviouse ones it going to have?

Other things to avoid..... chinese bikes that even new are rarely 100% fault free, and have the depreciation rating of a Tory Politician anouncing new taxes......

Last thing to avoid? Idiots trying to knock you off!

Other than that, cant go far wrong, I reckon!
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 15 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:
Only read the title.

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Dance! Thumbs Up

A win-win situation.


You get a better ride with a bike anyway, you can always pull your pudding when the sap rises without the "Do you love me" bollocks and all the whingeing and whining 'Wrong Week' carp.
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PostPosted: 10:54 - 16 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
smallman22 wrote:
Hmm you's are probally right. I just want something for the present and summer as it will be much later in the year as i come in to money later on so for now jus wanting something to get my confidence up and have a bit of fun.

So if you had to get a 125 what would you recommend or avoid.

Cheers


Being brutal, see all the other advice I have offered on this board.

In your budget there's but ONE bike I can reccomend. And I doubt you'll like it.

Yamaha YBR125.

They are new enough that most haven't yet had so many numpty owners torturing the clutch or bashing the selector forks to death, though many will have had the forks pounded practicing e stops, or suffered attempts at 'tuning' or worse shear bodge repairs instead of maintenence. They are easy to ride, easy to live with, do exactly what it says on the box for the type 'Learner Commuter'. And for getting test done, perfect for the job. Reasonably reliable, durable, cheap to buy, cheap to insure, cheap to run, and cheap to fix if you bash it..... and after six months, getting your test, sell for within £100 of what you paid.

On the avoid list....... we'd be here for ever.

Almost ANYTHING two stroke, and certainly anything two stroke and liquid cooled. Definitely, not two stroke, liquid cooled plus fairings! In fact most things with fairings, I'd avoid. 'sports' 125's are kiddie go kwik machines more often ridden into the ground and or crashed, and almost certainly by riders paying more attention to the speedo than the state of the drive chain! Or anything else for that matter. Restricted lock, cramped riding possition, head down arse up riding possition, NOT the easiest bike to practice good observations, or demonstrate them to a probably less than impresed examiner who's pegged the rider as a kiddie go kwikly thrill seeker as soon as he's seen it.

Anything with knobly tyres. I love dirt bikes, BUT. Not the best tool to get a test on. Upright riding possition makes observations easier, and geometry can be good for cone work, but high centre of gravity can defeat some of that, but soft long travel suspension and knobly tyres not great for swerve test or E stop....

Anything with lots of chrome, tassles, buttoned seats, sway back bars and DEFINITLEY not a sissy bar! Cruisers do not like going round cones. They dont much like e stops, and I have done a U turn on a Super Black bird in a tighter road than I could get the G/F's little chopper thingy round.....

Anything advertised as 'just needs fork seals for test'.

Anything that's advertised as 'just needs top end rebuild'

Anything thats advertises as 'Just HAD top end rebuild'.... (Usually means it needed a FULL rebuild, but when they looked at how expensive / complicated it was, they slapped the head and barel back on with new gaskets = 'top end rebuild")

Anything with suggestion "Slight Misfire"

Anything with suggestion "Probably just needs the carburettors cleaned"

Basically ANYTHING that suggests that the bike doesn't 100% 'work'....

Anything much over 5 years old probably wont be anything like 100% anyway..... but you work the odds, and if it has ONE pretty obviouse faults, how many more less than obviouse ones it going to have?

Other things to avoid..... chinese bikes that even new are rarely 100% fault free, and have the depreciation rating of a Tory Politician anouncing new taxes......

Last thing to avoid? Idiots trying to knock you off!

Other than that, cant go far wrong, I reckon!


Thanks man thats some good sound advice. Ill take it in to account when looking. Also gona avoid that xtc like the plauge now.

Cheers to everything else to ill let you kno how i crack on with the pruchase.
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Hello mate,

I was in the same boat as you except swap dumped for turned 30.
I took teflon's sage advice and bought a ybr 125. I know its not the fastest machine and people complain about the tyres being thin, but hand on heart its the best thing I have even done.

If you havent been on a bike before then doing 60mph will be more than enough for you anyway!

I plan on passing my test after I have clocked up a few 1000 miles and speaking personally I think this is the best route for me. Passing a test doesnt mean you are a good driver and experience on the road is invaluable ( I learnt this for my car driving days ! )

One bit of advice would be dont scrimp on safety gear as am sure your brain and skin aint worth it . Also I found wearing a hi-vis vest combined with L plates just made me a target for wank middle aged men with nowt better to do than bully new bikers to replace their non-existant sex life, or something......
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PostPosted: 02:40 - 18 Mar 2011    Post subject: Re: Welcome Big Man Reply with quote

mickfulton wrote:
Hello mate,

I was in the same boat as you except swap dumped for turned 30.
I took teflon's sage advice and bought a ybr 125. I know its not the fastest machine and people complain about the tyres being thin, but hand on heart its the best thing I have even done.

If you havent been on a bike before then doing 60mph will be more than enough for you anyway!

I plan on passing my test after I have clocked up a few 1000 miles and speaking personally I think this is the best route for me. Passing a test doesnt mean you are a good driver and experience on the road is invaluable ( I learnt this for my car driving days ! )

One bit of advice would be dont scrimp on safety gear as am sure your brain and skin aint worth it . Also I found wearing a hi-vis vest combined with L plates just made me a target for wank middle aged men with nowt better to do than bully new bikers to replace their non-existant sex life, or something......


My ex in a homicidal rage, 'went', taking my beloved 'first' Range Rover with her... trying to run me over with it en route! (She later smashed it up, shunting between a pair of concrete bollard or planters or something, abandoned it outside my house, then rang the police to report it stolen, hoping to get me done for taking without owners consent.... {I owned it! She just happened to be the registered keeper so I didn't get all her speeding tickets!}.... and criminal damage!...... but every cloud has a silver lining, and a few weeks later, whilst being chased by inland revenue for thousands of quids worth of working families tax credits she apparently claimed fraudulently, without my knowledge, but they deemed me liable for anyway, as she left no forwarding address.... moving county and fraudulently claiming DIFFERENT benefits!?!?!?!?...... the income tax people sent me a timely rebate!

I bought my CB750 with it, before anyone had a chance to rescind the cheque!

But, last season I put its annual test money, towards buying my DT as a 'bit of fun', and due to Snowie, wanting to learn mechanics and taking on the Pup Project, I've not been able to do a thing with it! and THIS year's Test money looks to be going not on the 750's annual MOT, but on Snowies Bike Tests!

Consequently, I'm 'making do', with the CB125 project bike, I bought to make the best of the scrapper we got as Snowie's first project.

It's 'fun', but yeah. I was astounded. Bludgers don't 'see' you no matter how hard they look. And riding the 125 with no L's while de niggling it, was peed off by how little attention you get.

But what REALLY annoyed me, was as soon as I put the L's on so Snowie could ride it, the attitude completely changed..... They DO see you... they MUST, to react differently when you change something....... but the effect of hi vis and L's is like "Oh, its ONLY a learner..... better pull out in front of them so they don't hold me up!" Rather than, "Oh, Learner, better give them some extra space, they are likely to be a bit wobbly, and erratic..... well,we all had to learn once..."

And I have to say, 125 might not be all that inspiring, but ACTUALLY.... its a lot a laughs for your money.

Just done a top end rebuild on the Super Dream, and its pulling a lot better. Once the rings have bedded in, might be able to open it up a bit and see what it'll really do. With a haze of smog behind me, it was pulling (roughly) to 60, so YBR territory, but it was, when new, Honda's 4 stroke answer to the RD125LC... and should do a comfy 70ish... its the antithasis of the CBR125 really... thats a commuter in sports cloths, CB125's a sports bike in commuter attire, and a lot more spirited to ride.....

After the 750, well.... it's err.... rather 'damp', there's absolutely no urgency, or surge, and the 750 was a bit limp compared to the old VF Thou!

But, I have to say, it put a HUGE grin on my face today..... and I didn't get it over 6K revs, or 40mph, saving the new rings!

And we shouldn't go faster than 70 in this country anyway...... and most roads you don't get much chance.... and this little thing, on skinny tyres?!? Err, ACTUALLY, handling is rather surprising.... after wrestling big beasts about, see a corner? I'm on the effing PAVEMENT! Because I think.... it does! Not think, plan, lever, wrestle, yup, that's it. here we go..... it just responds, and hustling it about, its really quite good fun, and SO easy!

So? Well, big bikes have their appeal, and I really do appreciate the weight of the 750 under me, and the acceleration it offers, it just feels 'planted', BUT, when I actually THINK about it...... for the little extra it has to offer, I am paying an AWFUL lot more for very little!

They may be 'Learner Bikes', but ACTUALLY, 60mph ish, brisk, nimble, they are still 'propper' little motorbikes with an awful lot to offer. They aren't just 'toys' for teenagers, or a cheap way to work for a non interested economy freak.

Yes, 60mph can be fun!
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 18 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then afterwards (if you take care of the bloody thing)


Because you know so well how to look after a CG. Especially with not seizing it... Laughing


Seriously though I agree with Dunc. I have a CG and been biking about a month I think. It's not very fast but for a learner bike I think it's fantastic. Reliable (so far), comfy and returns a nice MPG (as do most 125's). Can still have some fun on it too.

Get about a 10 year old one and if you look after it, as Dunc said, you'll probably get the same amount of money back as you bought it for. If you look on ebay, there isn't much difference in price between a 10 year old CG and a 30 year old one.

If I was in your position though I'd probably want to do my test asap.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 18 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattJ wrote:
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Then afterwards (if you take care of the bloody thing)


Because you know so well how to look after a CG. Especially with not seizing it... Laughing


Seriously though I agree with Dunc. I have a CG and been biking about a month I think. It's not very fast but for a learner bike I think it's fantastic. Reliable (so far), comfy and returns a nice MPG (as do most 125's). Can still have some fun on it too.

Get about a 10 year old one and if you look after it, as Dunc said, you'll probably get the same amount of money back as you bought it for. If you look on ebay, there isn't much difference in price between a 10 year old CG and a 30 year old one.

If I was in your position though I'd probably want to do my test asap.


I've been looking at CG prices, the last few days.
I've always thought the CG over priced and over rated.
The Legendary Honda CG125
Good little bikes, but far too many become the victim of their own reputation, and people truly believe that the idea they are 'bullet proof' and 'low maintenence' means NO maintenence, and can be thrashed and crashed with impunity......
Rep does mean that prices hold strong, though. The OTR £300 CG is now a very rare bird, you struggle to find fixer uppers for that sort of money. Anything that is reasonably 'roadable' seems to be commanding around the £750 mark. Late CG's, are fetching silly money, between a grand and fifteen hundred.
For that money, I'd avoid the newer ones. They are just old enough to have had enough owners hammering them they are pretty tired, but new enough to 'scrub up' and look nice and tidy on sale, but not 'quite' old enough for expected wear and tear to have demanded real work, and weeded out the well maintained from the bodgers.....
Your right, at about ten years old, CG prices flat out, and you are looking a couple of hundred quid either side of the £750 mark.
But at that kind of money, you can get a still new enough to not have suffered so hard YBR125, that's just as 'safe' on resale, and a bit less risk on mechanical maledies. Hence it being my top Learner/Commuter reccomend at the mo.
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