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Smoto Bob
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: stupid idea, could i run with out the balencer Reply with quote

^^, not a realistic idea less effort to arse and buy the new chain but just out of interest?? any ideas i know it would wobble Rolling Eyes does a xr have one?

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PostPosted: 20:24 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean the balancer shaft in the engine? If so - then no. The engine would probably vibrate itself apart in 5 minutes.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd agree. Those singles have too many bad vibes. I wouldnt risk it.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: bike Reply with quote

mine runs off a chain and has 2 weights either side of the engine could be easily disabled Very Happy

just a random idea, Razz didn't say it was a good idea , but the kx and quite a few other bikes dont have em
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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the kx and quite a few other bikes dont have em


They'll of been designed that way too, where as your bike hasn't.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Probably possible, and almost certainly has been done. However expect parts of the bike to fail from the vibration, and ring your dentist now to book in for the replacement of your fillings.

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PostPosted: 21:00 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of the more 'race orientated' supermoto engines run without a balancer and I know it is common practice to remove them from a 250 superdream to gain about another 5bhp.

I'm not saying it is a good idea though.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: idea Reply with quote

i was thinking as it only really revs from about 2k to 5k, and thats if i am getting a bit excitable?

compared to 2 smoke, and eg the 4 stroke singles that produce high bhp figure they rev a hell of a lot more
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it. You can always put them back later.

Take photos during dismantling though.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

no i dont think so. they were put theree for a reason and that reaon is to stop the engine falling to bits around you. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 13 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkywheely wrote:
I know it is common practice to remove them from a 250 superdream to gain about another 5bhp.



A 10bhp Superdream? Wow!




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PostPosted: 10:52 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago I had a KMX and its balancer shaft gave up on me.
To say the least it was painfully, the vibration in the foot pegs and through the bars was so much it made it hard to ride.
They are certainly there for a reason, personally I wouldn't touch it.
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe rather than removing it completely you could drill parts out of it...

Make it a bit lighter but not completely erradicate its balancing effect.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: idea Reply with quote

Smoto Bob wrote:
compared to 2 smoke, and eg the 4 stroke singles that produce high bhp figure they rev a hell of a lot more


2000rpm that piston is still going up and down 33 times a second. Even at those low revs with a stroke of, say, 57mm (old XR250, don't know what yours is) it is doing about 8.5mph average. Its peak speed is going to be around double that, and it is going to have to accelerate from 0 to peak speed and back to zero twice for every revolution of the crank.

Yes, it is getting 7 shades of MS software knocked out of it.

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PostPosted: 15:45 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: piston Reply with quote

check out the maths on him Very Happy as usual most informative person on bcf Thumbs Up kickstart , needs a wankel

this is all pointless questioning really as i still ant got the tool to take the fly wheel off LMAO, grgrgr
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

What tool do you need?

I ran my cagiva with the balancer 180 degrees out of phase (mis translated manuals!) and it wasn't too nice...

Leave it in or risk cracking cases or mashing bearings. Some big singles don't have them, such as some LC4's, but they are designed to not have them and the crank is more balanced.

An idea could be to look at KLX engines and see what they run.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:


An idea could be to look at KLX engines and see what they run.


Great idea dude Thumbs Up never crossed my mind Smile

i need a 22mmx1mm puller
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