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PostPosted: 15:00 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: CB100N Reply with quote

Just bought one, 1979 (12years older than me!) for a bargain of £350. Just had an MOT, full service and near new tyres.

Will be picking it up with my old man on Sunday morning, going on the back of his bike and riding it the 40 or so miles back home from Tamworth..

I'm pretty excited, but also a little nervous about riding it, being that I've not got an amazing amount of time with proper motorcycle controls (moped for the loss.. Sad ) but hopefully will be a pro by the time I get home. Cool

Is there anything I should look out for (I'm talking, burning oil or other worries etc)


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PostPosted: 15:06 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have an odd cable operated front disc which used to be notorious for seizing up, cable fraying and generally not working very well. Seat covers used to last about six months tops, then be gaffa taped up and the water leakage caused the bases to rapidly rot to nothing - but that'll have been sorted long ago, no doubt. Otherwise just check for the usual stuff, like signs of being dropped or crashed.

The CB100 was a remarkably tough little bike - IMHO, considerably superior the ludicrously hyped CG125.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ebay auction is actually at the bottom of the page lol... didn't think it would come up. I've spoken to the guy who owns it, paid half and will clear the rest on sunday, he sounded like a decent guy so had no worries about it. Just been serviced too so I'd imagine the brake should be fine too.

On my phone at the moment, but you can click the link at the bottom of the page (its the white cb100n on the ebay links) and see the pictures, but will add them ti this post shory to make it easier to see.

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PostPosted: 16:04 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks clean and tidy. Shame it's not got its original paint - then again, maybe not if it was one of the brown ones. I had one of those and it really wasn't a pleasant shade to look at Shocked Laughing Looks to me as if it's been nicely sorted - and the guy has 100% positive feedback so is presumably trustworthy.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got one of these in the hut i bought over a year ago to try and encourage the wife to go through her cbt. Never been run since i rode it home and mot now expired. Fired it up a few weeks back and its running rough as hell.
Was fun riding it home after being used to the bandit, felt like i could throw it round corners lol.
Paid about the same with years mot etc as i recall. The guy i bought it off said they tend to hold their value pretty well Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

funnily enough a guy at work has just today sold one of those to someone in tamworth, but his was the shitty brown colour! just mot'd serviced and had new tyres too! coincidence!
it seems an ok small bike, the reg/rec had failed on his and apparently it was a common fault. he got one new old stock off ebay for £30 but after a call to david silver it seems they cost closer to £140 new!
his was a 1980 and sold for £520, and there was one a few weeks back that went for over £700, so if it is all in good order youve got a good price there.
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

funnily enough a guy at work has just today sold one of those to someone in tamworth, but his was the shitty brown colour! just mot'd serviced and had new tyres too! coincidence!
it seems an ok small bike, the reg/rec had failed on his and apparently it was a common fault. he got one new old stock off ebay for £30 but after a call to david silver it seems they cost closer to £140 new!
his was a 1980 and sold for £520, and there was one a few weeks back that went for over £700, so if it is all in good order youve got a good price there.
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

750 mile oil changes recommended. All these bikes with tiny sumps need very frequent changes to reach high mileage.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those seat bases are made of metal.
If the seat cover is torn/ripped but the base is sound, the base will hold the water and rot + the foam will hold the water and give you a wet bum every time Sad .

What I did to mine was drill a few tiny pilot holes in the base and that gave the water a way of escaping + every time I sat on the seat I was squeezing some of the water out/downwards instead of giving me a wet bum Thumbs Up seemed to work for me Smile
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 10 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice, seems I got a fair deal then. Dance!

I'm happy it's not the brown colour scheme Sick Although it's plain white, it seems in good nick, I asked the guy selling it if there was any rust/rot or anything which will cause issues in the future and he said there was none, all was looked out for in the service and he noted that if anything is wrong when I come to look at it sunday he'll knock the price down.

Can't grumble too much. Will be used as a clutch learner for me until I can happily ride about without thinking about what gear I'm in or anything like that, once I'm happy with that I'll be going for Mod2. Cool
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I had one many years ago (GCR374X should it ever turn up somewhere, and it was in the horrible brown colour). Not a patch on an H100.

Top speed was about 65mph. Did about 80mpg (the H100 did 95mpg in the same use). Oil lasted for about 600 miles and then it drank the stuff.

Cable operated disk brake was useless. Meant to be self adjusting but no chance it really would. Get the adjustment slightly wrong and you landed up with a lever that felt normal but barely affected speed.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:24 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Cable operated disk brake was useless. Meant to be self adjusting but no chance it really would. Get the adjustment slightly wrong and you landed up with a lever that felt normal but barely affected speed.



Hmm, I was thinking about this last night about the cable disc brake, how easy/cost worthy would it be to try and get a hydraulic caliper on there? That's if this brake on the cb100n I'm buying isn't that clever.

Would something like a CG front caliper fit on it?
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

27cows, what is your problem with the CG? The honda CG125 is one of the best bikes ever made. FACT :-p
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brake is just badly designed. It's nothing to do with it being old or worn, it was useless when it came out of the shop.

The fact that there isn't really sufficient leverage in the system aside, the main problem is it needs to tighten the mechanism to compensate for pad wear (something that a hydraulic system does innately). It does this by means of a small ratchet that tightens a click when you apply the brake.

The trouble is, it tends to tighten quicker than the pads wear and eventually starts binding. You then have to get your tools out and wind the ratchet back out.

The trick is to brake once, don't feather it or dab at it all the time. One good squeeze per braking episode.

There is a lot of standardisation of sizes on small hondas of that era. It is entirely possible you'd be able to drop the front end off something else straight in. Unfortunately, the bracket that holds the calliper is decidedly odd. As I remember, the calliper bracket actually bolts to the front of the fork leg and then curves round so the calliper itself is at the back of the fork leg. As such, finding a calliper that just bolts on would be tricky, you'd probably need the full front end.

In all honesty, the single leading drum brake you get on CG125s and H100s is better than the cable operated disc and I'd be willing to bet the stanchions are the same diameter.

All that said. It does slow you down and seems to be effective enough to pass an MOT so I'd see how you get on with it before tearing it all apart.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
In all honesty, the single leading drum brake you get on CG125s and H100s is better than the cable operated disc and I'd be willing to bet the stanchions are the same diameter.

All that said. It does slow you down and seems to be effective enough to pass an MOT so I'd see how you get on with it before tearing it all apart.



Thanks. I'll take your advice about not feathering it, and just applying it once in a straight motion.

I was going to see how the brakes are then decide on what to do if they aren't up to scratch, or make me need to carry a change of underwear every time I go out Laughing Will see how it goes on sunday and report back..
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

tvchimp wrote:
Hmm, I was thinking about this last night about the cable disc brake, how easy/cost worthy would it be to try and get a hydraulic caliper on there? That's if this brake on the cb100n I'm buying isn't that clever.

Would something like a CG front caliper fit on it?


Don't think so, but not really looked at one in over 20 years.

It is a very odd caliper. Rather than being an opposed piston caliper or a sliding caliper, the caliper pivots to take up pad wear on the inner pad.

Suspect you would need to find a matching for with a normal caliper mount.

My experience with one years ago was that when perfectly set up it was merely poor, but when badly set up you may as well have poor oil over the disk.

All the best

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

My experience with one years ago was that when perfectly set up it was merely poor, but when badly set up you may as well have poor oil over the disk.

All the best

Keith



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lol.. I'm hoping it won't be that bad to be honest Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 11 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Good luck. The one I had suffered the worst front brake of any bike I have ever ridden with the possible exception of the Bimota when using sintered pads in the wet (and even then they worked pretty well after you waited about 5 seconds for the pads to clear the water from the disk).

To keep the bike healthy though make sure you change the oil regularly. Doesn't take much oil but does give it a hard time.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:51 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUCKING PRICK... Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

Do not deal with DRH Cars Ltd in Tamworth - https://www.drhcars.hpi.co.uk/dealer - They are a waste of fucking space

Basically, I am now bikeless (sold my moped weekend just gone), I went to pick the bike up yesterday, after a bit of polava the guy (it's a dealership) explained that he took the bike in part exchange for a car, the car had an issue and was being sorted by a mechanic and the guy took his bike back to use whilst said car was being sorted.

A little annoyed, I said ok, and organised for him to deliver it to my house today around 5pm.

Now just received a phone call, saying the guy is keeping his bike as he doesn't want a car that has had issues within 24hrs of him buying it.

The guy is giving me my deposit back, with £120 extra due to me wasting petrol and the general pissing about which has happened. Not to mention me starting an insurance policy which cost me a £30 deposit which I'm now losing.

This means I'm now looking for a 125cc bike ASAP - I've got a few interviews coming up, which I need transport for, and don't want to rely on lifts from people to make them.

If anyone has one, please read this thread in the for sale section:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2801059#2801059

and get back to me, either by PM, email, or mobile number.

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PostPosted: 21:06 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFS, that's a shithouse Evil or Very Mad Guess it emphasises that you can't ever trust dealers. Never. Always go for a private sale and don't commit to anything (like insurance) until you're certain the bike is going to be yours.

I know that's easier said than done.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 17 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was due to pick it up on sunday, so insured myself friday so I could ride it back with no problems from the po'po'...

Issues with the guys car, meant picking it up wednesday... no luck.

Now I'm bikeless.

I wanted that bike due to it's price (£350) and the fact it had been looked after by an 'old guy' and had a full service/history/etc etc...

Knocked back at the moment, looked on ebay for a cheap bike, quite a lot of NSR's and an RD125 which need's a few bits doing, which I'm gonna enquire about tomorrow, I've only got around £350, possibly £400 to spend. Just tempted to try get my DAS sorted instead, but then still need around £250 to get my VFR sorted (New exhaust is around £200 all in) and an MOT/Tax on that thing.

Gahhh..... Anyone able to lend me a 4meter length of rope and a solid beam roof/ceiling to use for 20minutes?
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