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lexism
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Need some help with which bike to get. Reply with quote

I'll start of by saying how far I've got.

I'm 18, I passed my full bike license in February first time, although will still have the 33BHP restriction. I currently own a Honda CG125 which was registered 2000/01 (not quite sure). I think it has a month left on both tax and MOT, but I intend to sell the bike on ebay within the next month or so. After checking around, I'm going to estimate between £500-650 (correct me otherwise).

So having just recently turned 18, I probably have about £300 as well from birthday money. I might be able to get a small loan off the parents too, yet cannot guarantee this. So after passing my test, as most people would want, I am looking into getting a bigger bike.

I want to get a bigger bike, but one that will last for a good few years, so ideally would like one of the 500-650 cc ranged bikes. I know some might argue against this, but this is what I'd like to get. I'd like to do this budget also, so going off the money I have, I need to use that for the cost of the bike, and the insurance.

So basically, I've done a bit of research and know a bit about that range of bikes. So far I know about GS500's, SV650's, CBR600's, ER6's, ZX6R's, and I believe theres a GSX600 (?). If you could take into consideration this is the style of bike I like too (most likely from my childhood upbringing and my Dad's R1) I wondered what other bikes you might be able to recommend on the budget.

On a point of the insurance, I managed to get a fully comp quote for a GS500 at about £550 and a third-party with fire and theft at around £300. I do have a 2 years NCB. I also am insured on a car if this helps?

So my basic question I guess then is what bikes could you recommend at a small budget?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe something like this?

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-SUZUKI-GS500E-fairing-/290547879323?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item43a600cd9b

Should last an age and a half although will probably be up for a exhaust in the next 6 months. Trouble is on such a tight budget you're going to struggle to find something upper class.
I know it says £750 but it does say best offer.

Also, don't know if the parts would fit but I've broken a gs500 on a 91 plate so have a garage full of spares.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something similar to that, not liking the fairings on that too much I must admit. I nearly had a GS500 2004 reg but the engine ceased and then other stuff I think happened :/
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play mate, I didn't say you had to have that one Wink

Just a suggestion.

Do you prefer naked bikes to faired?


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-CB500-1997-R-reg-excellent-runner-/130497384807?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1e62401167
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd probably go with half faired as my ideal, such as the SV650. I don't mind naked necessarily, but my dad as had an R1 through me growing up, and my punishment went I was about 5 was being forced to watch the superbikes and motoGP (not boring now, but I think you can understand my attention span back then). I wouldn't mind fully faired, think might be tad more expensive though.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may have to up your budget a little to get a decent one.

On another note, your CG, I don't know what you plan to do with it on the selling front as yyu didn't entirely say but you will get more money for it with a current full mot than with barely any.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah sorry about the GS blowing up, wasn't fun for me either. Even if you don't get a bike you can still ride bitch round Europe.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

1samarg wrote:
Fair play mate, I didn't say you had to have that one Wink

Just a suggestion.

Do you prefer naked bikes to faired?


https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Honda-CB500-1997-R-reg-excellent-runner-/130497384807?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item1e62401167


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PostPosted: 20:29 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

1samarg wrote:


Uhhhh....

That aftermarket fairing is typically fitted to bikes that have been raced.

Geezer wrote:
the bike only has one piece of service history. and none since ive owned the bike myself (the last year) but i'm a mechanic and keep it in top condition myself.


Do you really, Mr Mechanic?

Geezer wrote:
the service sheet shows a engine rebuild with a new clutch, including springs and gaskets


Note he's careful not to claim that it's had a "rebuild", just that it's shown. And what exactly does he mean by "rebuild"? What parts in addition to the clutch? And why?

Geezer wrote:
i looked for a air cooled V-twin for a while and this is a great example of the engine


Say again? What kind of engine does that parallel-twin bike have, Mr Mechanic?

Geezer wrote:
ive had it on a rolling road


Now, why would he have done that? But if he really is a mechanic with access to a dyno, then the MOT probably isn't worth the paper his mate rubber-stamped "passed" on.

Geezer wrote:
it gets through the 33BHP restriction aswell


What? What? Is he saying that it's producing less than 33bhp? It's 52bhp as stock - where have the horses gone?

Speaking of horses, there's a strong smell of something ripe and organic coming from that bike. The guy can't tell a straight story. Best case he's just a bit confused and speaking drivel ("V-twin"?). Worst case, he's flogging a shagged out race bike, or a hack that's never seen the sharp end of a spanner.

It might be honest, but I'd want to know Document Reference Number from the V5 (if it has one) to check its MOT history (if it has one), I'd view it with a cynical mate, and be ready to run, not walk, away.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair play and well spotted. Like I said earlier, he didn't have to buy that particular one. I was using it more as a reference bike / suggestion.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: CG Reply with quote

lexism...I may be interested in the CG, depending on where you are and what kind of condition its in
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

1samarg wrote:
Fair play and well spotted. Like I said earlier, he didn't have to buy that particular one. I was using it more as a reference bike / suggestion.


Heh, sorry, no offence was intended. It's a good example of why you should get Cynical Mate to look over any advert and bike carefully.
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never expected that careful observation I must say Rogerborg.

And as far at the CG goes, I'm from south London. Condition; well, I'm not sure I'd be able to give an entire unbiased opinion. Its done 42000 miles ish, but its been weel looked after. I'm pretty sure also it'd pass an MOT (I think my dad might have that intention anyway). New wing mirrors and new front tyre, with the rear tyre having plenty of tread. One point would be the exhaust, which when bought, was a bit rusty, but then it was filed down and had some special coat of paint (something my dad did, thankfully not done by myself). The bike itself does its job fine, keeping a nice speed with plenty of torque for a 125.

Manatee might be able to give further information as a source of a more unbiased 'review'
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 23 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Heh, sorry, no offence was intended. It's a good example of why you should get Cynical Mate to look over any advert and bike carefully.


None taken mate Thumbs Up

It's good there are people out there to make the good observations to be honest. I'm good when I'm close up and personal to the bike. I have a couple of mates in the trade and have tought myself what to look for over the years.
Ebay is sadly a ramping ground for dishonest sales. I once read on one of the ebay chat boards (ebay motors IIRC) that ebay was just becoming a place for traders to sell their crap on that they wouldn't want to sell on the forecourt.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: CG Reply with quote

Cheers for the info, but South London is a bit far for me to travel.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're wanting a GPZ500s Wink

Great bikes (mine was 'restricted', never got me in trouble).

Won't get bored of the power, it's like a jeckyl and hyde engine, tame to 6k then hit 6.5k and it's a beast.

Easy to find decent condition ones with lower miles on the cheap. my '94 came with blocked up carbs and 34k miles for £300.

Have a wee look, not too bad looking bikes.

Cheap insurance, cheap on fuel, Cheap parts and easy to service! Sorted!

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PostPosted: 09:46 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Dunkable, you have pretty much found the bike I'm looking for. The bike is cheap, and I'm finding prices on eBay for between £300-£450. I got a fully comp quote at £550 and a third party f&t at £310. So I'm probably just about able to squeeze this into my budget. Cheers for the info.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're looking at a pre-1994 one, watch the flywheel. they tend to self destruct and it's a bitch to repair. I believe the newer ones fit right on, but shouldn't be a problem with lower mileage ones.

This one would be perfect.

https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1995-KAWASAKI-GPZ500S-61mpg-and-brand-new-MoT-/150580672295?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item230f4eb727

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PostPosted: 12:47 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

The GPZ is a good solid first bike and it's not unusual to find ones that have already been 33bhp restricted. As with any older bike you'll want to take someone with mechanical knowledge to have a bit of a look over it before you buy though. Make sure you hear it running from completely cold as that's when the odd noises tend to show themselves.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmm, I agree that the GPz500 is a good place to start looking, but be prepared to keep an open mind: better to get a good honest example of your 2nd choice than to jump at a lemon, or hold out indefinitely for the Perfect Bike.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say Rogerborg, I too had found that bike... I'm guessing the cracks shouldn't be too much of a problem on it, otherwise it looks perfect. I might be having a little bid this weekend if I'm lucky.

As for bringing someone with a mechanical mind, I'm sure my dad would be the one who'd come along. It doesn't seem like too extreme of a trek too.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Uhhhh....

That aftermarket fairing is typically fitted to bikes that have been raced.



If that bike has been raced I would give you my left testicle.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 24 Mar 2011    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Another vote for the GPZ500.

Mr Dunkable wrote:
If you're looking at a pre-1994 one, watch the flywheel. they tend to self destruct and it's a bitch to repair. I believe the newer ones fit right on, but shouldn't be a problem with lower mileage ones.


The flywheels do fail. Seems to happen at about 20k~25k. The later flywheels won't work with the early ignition, so if you want to use a later flywheel you will need to transplant the later ignition and the wiring with it.

The actual flywheel is pretty easy to remove as long as you remember the bolt holding it on has a reverse thread. However there is a chance that bits of magnet will be spread around the engine.

All the best

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