DAS for £600 all included - worth it?

[balacis]

Hi
I have my CBT and was thinking of buying cheap 125cc to learn on and help me reducing cost of DAS training ( so i have to take less lessons with instrcutor). And then do my licnese on bigger bike ... but in the meanwhile I have found a training school that has an offer of unlimited lessons and training including cost of bike/insurance/ both practical test and hire bike for exams days all included ... all for £600

I wonder d if this is cheaper and better options?
I undrestand that If I buy 125cc I will have to pay for insurance for (1-3 month and cancelation fee) ,I would also loss some money after reselling it ... , as well as having to pay for practical exams and hiring cost of bigger bike for motorcycle test and, and perhaps taking 5 lessons on bigger bike with instrcuture befor I sit for the exam ... correct?

Is it cheaper if I pay £600?

Thanks in advance

[pinkyfloyd]

Will be cheaper to go DAS and pay that £600. Get your theory test done first and then go for it. No point buying a 125 and having to pay out for lessons and a test on the bigger bike anyway.
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[FBSF]

If you are planning on getting something bigger afterwards, then I would go for the direct access. It saves on having to do any more tests than necessary.

You are over 21 though? AFAIK if you are under 21 it isn't an option.

[Hyaon]

I bought a cbf125, it was great fun for a while but once youve been riding the 500cc bikes...you ll get back on the 125 and go 'what is..this is paper?!' its an odd feeling but I pretty much only used my cbf125 for 2 months and well sold it on for a loss.

Riding a 500cc is TOTALLY different to a 125cc in my noobie experience..125 is nippy, controllable...500cc is very heavy in comparison especially at slow speed, grunty and when you get going, you really get going its a bit scary hehe.

[John933]

My heart bleeds when I see what people have to go through to day to get a license. My day it was one round the block, and if you did not fall off you passed. Not forgetting to stop when the man waved his clip board. 20 min's max. The test was booked for 30 min's in total, but ten of them was writing out the pass ticket.

Them where the good old day's.
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[Hyaon]

Imagine what its like for a deaf person trying to get through all the bollocks :p mod1 was okay, mod2 training with no radio comms or idea how my test will be conducted on the 30th?

[balacis]

will my insurance be cheaper if I do the motorbike test on bigger bike ( bigger than 125cc) ?

I tried one of those insurance comparision site, it has couple of option for motor bike trainings but there was none for DAS...

are you guys aware of any cheap training or certificate than I can pass in order to reduce the insurance premium ? I remmeber I did passplus for my car and it reduced my premium by %48 for year one ( i was given 1 year ncd in another word).

when i applied for insurance quote I was asked whether I am a member of some british motorbike institution / organisations, do you guys know what they are? and whether worth joining ? is it free to join?

thanks

[Paxovasa]

The training they are referring to is IAM or ROSPA.

DAS is only a way to get a full licence.
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[skatefreak]

Hey,
Yeah, that sounds like a good deal!
I got 4 lessons and fees included (and bike hire etc) for £330 riding off the tail end of the winter 2 for the price of 1 offer over here but that being said, there is lots of pressure to pass first go
The bike is an ER5 with umpteen k's on it coming from my NSR and it feels strange
Next lesson next week and MOD1 the week after that...

Mucho's pressure....

-Jvr

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[tahrey]

Well, if you get the 125 you'll have something to ride around on, legally (once you've done the CBT bit), whilst having the lessons as well and waiting for the test bookings to come in, which if you're unlucky can be a few months. And that's presuming you pass first time. If you pick a decent one you could sell it on for roughly as much as you paid as the new-learner market is voracious and isn't going away anytime soon, having racked up a whole lot of extra experience (and enjoyment, and no-claims bonus - because you can't carry it over from your car policy!) essentially just for petrol money in the meantime.

As for the DAS for £600 with all things included, that sounds like a deal to me, particularly if the test fees come with. I paid something like £450 last year for a mostly inclusive setup (still had to pay the exams IIRC, though they booked them???*) under a discount regional training scheme, ie the instructors actually have other jobs but are fully qualified and just like to have an excuse to go for a guaranteed ride 4 nights a week, and thought that was pretty good. (And alas, i'm still on the 125 now our pay deal has been mullered twas a good purchase!)

* this could be entirely wrong, hence i disclaim it from being utter truth, and will not name the scheme either

[balacis]

Just for curiousty what happens if one sits exam on 125cc and then decides to ride a bigger bike couple of month down the line ?
Will he or she have to go thru the whole theory and practical tests(1 and 2) with bigger bike?


also I have heard of "33BHP restricters " does this kit allow someone who passes his/her test on 125cc bike to rice bigger bike straight away? can someone learn on a bigger bike with L drive on and "33BHP restricters " fitted?

thanks

[ThoughtContro...]

If you sit the mod1/mod2 tests on a 125, then you'll end up with an A2 license. You can then ride any bike as long as it does not exceed 25KW or 33bhp. After 2 years this restriction expires and you can ride any bike.

So you could sit your test on a 125 and ride whatever bigger bike you want, so long as you restrict it to 33bhp.

If you do decide to go this route then I'd recommend at least a few hours instruction from somewhere, as you're bound to have bad habits that you will fail on.

"Unlimited lessons" for £600 quid sounds too good to be true. I'd read the small print and ask around for other people's experience of the same school. You might not pass your test first attempt. You'll certainly have to pay additional test fees for a re-test. Will the school charge you extra for bike hire in this case?
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[Dazbo666]

£600 for unlimited lessons on a DAS sounds like a REALLY good deal to me. (I did a 4 day DAS back in 2005 and paid £500+)
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[MattEMulsion]

Would it be fair to assume though that the £600 will only include the test fees for each test once, ie unless you pass everything first time you will have to pay the retest fee on each part? The extra training will be included free though.
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[balacis]

[multijoy]

If you've only got your CBT, you can ride a bike above 125cc on L plates only under supervision.

You can ride a restricted bike only once you've passed the A2 (or possibly A1, I forget which is which) test or unrestricted if you've passed the DAS.

Your theory pass counts only towards taking a bike test and has no bearing on what you can ride on L plates.

For avoidance of doubt, if you only have a CBT you can ride a bike on your own, with L plates, with a capacity of 125cc.
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[tahrey]

Man why do we still keep getting these same discussions, is there not an e-pamphlet we can give people?
(I'd offer to do so, but I've got a couple still to make for work and I'd have trouble not just making it a long list of LMGTFY links)

It's simple and easily found with a websearch. Let's run down this.

Age 16 onwards you can get provisional moped. 50cc, 28/31mph cap (dep on bike age), POSSIBLY a power/power-weight limit I can't remember, L-plates, no passengers, no motorways. Pass moped test, continue to be limited to 50cc, low speed (I think?) & A-roads but can rip up L-plates and take a pillion.
You still need to take the CBT to do any of this. No going on roads on a powered bike over 200 watts (like 0.3hp) or using any kind of combustion engine without it.

Age 17 on, provisional bike license. 125cc / 14hp max and something like 150w/kg PWR (yeah, i dunno either... works out to approx a 120kg kerb weight for 14hp with an ISO standard human). CBT needed to go on the road, L plates, no passenger, no motorways.
Larger bikes can be ridden but only whilst being supervised as part of a DAS course.

Pass on a sub-120cc bike, you're limited to 125s and 14hp, but can tackle motorways, take passengers, remove plates.

Pass on 120-125cc (and one capable of at least 100km/h aka 62.5mph - borrow someone's CG for a tenner if yours isn't up to snuff), that's the A2 license. 33hp for 2 years, I think 250w/kg or so (so acceleration doesn't actually shoot up so much as you'd think, once you've got the initial launch out of the way) but no capacity limit so you could well get a huge cruiser and cripple it down to 33hp for the world's flattest power "curve". No plates, take passengers and m'ways again. After 2 years, it's effectively and automatically a full license.

Pass on >125cc and >47hp (if over the age of 21), and you immediately get full license. Ride whatever you want. Sidecars and trailers still need extra testing though I think.

Not the simplest system, aye, but better than what's soon to be brought in, and the information is all out there.

[crackfinder]

Not an e-pamphlet....

but will give you an idea of the licence routes open to you...

https://www.angliaridertraining.co.uk/licenceroutes.htm


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