Antisocial working hours

[Martay]

Hi,
Me and my good friend and collegue (Billing) current work for a fairly large company part-time. Currently im on 31hours and he is on 23hours per week.

Our store is having a re-fit, involving moving racking, painting the floor, lighting being moved etc. Most the products we sell are large items, heavy bags + boxes.

Anywho,
For this re-fit we are being basically told to work extra, currently it stands at 50hours per week, involing night shifts. These night shifts are between 18:00 till 07:00.
Our normal shifts are 08:30 till 19:00.
These night shifts are the ones in question. We are only getting paid normal hourly rate, nothing extra.
Is this normal / legal / acceptable? We have bought it to the attention of the ones in charge, but they dont seem bothered, mainly i think because they are not the ones working nights.

One more thing, do you think its resonable to refuse to work the nights without the increase in pay / perks of working unsociable hours?
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[Dazbo666]

Well I regularly work antisocial hours (like right now)... and I get a 20% shift allowance as a bonus on top of my normal hourly rate.

Also, if I work ovetime, I also get time-and-a-half for my first shift of overtime, and double-time for any further, consecutive shifts... all ON TOP of the initial 20%


As for your own situation, it all depends on what you've got written into your contract (if anything), and whether you can get those T's&C's updated??
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[Rogerborg]

You know it's not right. What you're asking is what you should do about it.

Find a better job elsewhere.
File a formal grievance and start down the employment tribunal path.
Phone in sick.
Just don't show up.

Any of the above would be an appropriate response.
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[m0l0t0v]

Check the contract as others have said.

Cause my previous job was anti-sociable hours it was basically standard. Only plus was tips received and/or girls numbers And the free drinks.
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[Visitor Q]

I switched on to nights at the NHS for a month.

Ended up getting paid less than coming in and dossing on weekends.

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[Ol]

not sure how much help it will be but:

i employ about 40 security guards, 90% of them work nights.. the few that i've taken on to work days i cannot force them to do nights, as it's not what's in their contract - and i'm sure if i said it's nights or nothing they would just walk out.

Also - for it to be legal for you to work over 48 hours per week you will have to have signed a waiver at some point allowing you to do so.
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[Phoenix]

[WildGoose]

You're perfectly entitled to tell them to cram it, as you are for anything in any job, though you may have difficulty in keeping your job.

What does your contract say?

Nights should attract an increase in rate of pay generally, that doesn't mean to say it's a given. I work nights for the same rate that I work days at my place, so called "overtime" is all at standard rate, and I work nearly 70 hours most weeks. Not complaining, just illustrating that whatever is accepted by most, quickly becomes the norm.

And there will always be someone willing to work for less pay and conditions than you, guaranteed! This is the UK today.

If its for a short period/temporary, and it is workable with your lifestyle, you stand to earn 20 hours extra money a week. That is the angle your employers will be thinking from.

But you are quite right in that they don't give a shit, because it isn't affecting them. They will be going home to their beds same time. Same reason my boss can glibly suggest, for example, that I am to be in manchester for 0700 tomorrow, when i've just finished at 1830 in Oxford today.
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[Martay]

Cheers for all the advice. It is all understood

Contract:
Alot of mention of contract. Although, i have never seen my contract? Well, im sure i havent. Ive been there 2 + 1/2 years, started on 1 day (6hours) a week, slowly getting more + more until my current 5days a week.

Dont get me / us wrong, we arent work shy, but this will be the first time ive done nights, and as its not permenant im going to 'grow a pair' and get on with it.
Like you rightly say, there is always someone willing to take my job for less pay / worse conditions.
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[m0l0t0v]

[multijoy]

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/EmploymentContractsAndConditions/index.htm

https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/index.htm

With regards hours, you shouldn't work more than 48 hours in a week averaged over 17 weeks.

However, of more immediate interest will be the fact that you have the right to at least 11 hours break between shifts.

13 hour shifts are pretty unreasonable by anyone's standards, especially if they're asking you to do nights into the bargin.

It's tricky though. On the one hand, you don't want to be taken for a ride, but on the other you don't want to be given the sack for saying no.

I don't know about your particular place of employment, but if they've not given thought to a contract after 2 1/2 years, simply asking for one might raise eyebrows- is there a union on your site?
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[Robby]

You could kick up a fuss, and are within your rights to do so. However, being realistic I would see it as a chance to earn some extra money and do the nights for 2 or 3 weeks. It's a chance to do something a bit different, and with no customers in the store you can play around a bit. There is also something oddly satisfying about getting into bed in the morning just as everyone else is getting up and going to bed.

If you do kick up a fuss then you have a chance of your bosses not giving you any slack in future, or being fired on some poor excuse, or of just not having any work for the next few weeks during the refit. Many of these things would be illegal for the employer to do, but to sort it out afterwards would involve an employment tribunal. No one wants to hire someone who took their previous employer to a tribunal.

It might suck, but it's reality. How employable are you if you need to get another job?

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